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Post by gemmagal on May 22, 2013 17:27:56 GMT
The news I am reading concerning abortion debate in Ireland is linking suicide rate with abortion. It has been so well documented for many many years that post abortion suicide rate among women is the highest for women in any circumstance. See this Finnish study: afterabortion.org/2005/womens-suicide-rates-highest-after-abortion-new-study/ it is a study that finds additionally that women who bear children are the healthiest of all women for up to a year post birthing. Even the prochoice people know this and have published a site concerning problems that adhere to abortion, including a sharp rise in suicide among mothers who abort their babies: www.prochoice.com/abortion_safe08.html#sThere are so many studies that show this, no one denies how seriously endangered we all are when abortion is practiced and made legitimately available and this has been known and documented since the 1980's at least. It would be rare to find a mother who gave birth, or even one who is pregnant and decided to end it all. Might it be hormones that would safe guard a mother in this way? I should try to find some detailed scientific data for that! No doubt men will be made to feel powerless, unable to save their children and as this news release seems to indicate it could cause some severe mental pain: www.irishtimes.com/news/health/abortion-bill-risks-normalising-suicide-says-leading-psychiatrist-1.1400627I hope it is not too late to stop the legitimization of abortion in Ireland. |
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Post by loughcrew on May 31, 2013 13:01:18 GMT
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Post by tobias on May 31, 2013 20:26:56 GMT
As I mentioned elsewhere Breda O'Brien wrote an excellent article on this subject in last Saturday's Irish Times.
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Post by chercheur on Jun 4, 2013 0:25:10 GMT
I feel a certain sympathy for Martin and indeed kenny. In private they would almost certainly agree with us but their public life involves begging for votes in what they are now convinced is a majority non catholic country. Conniving with abortionists like labour is easy and it is in a way an understandable weakness....though a weakness the bishops must point out is a gravely sinful one. |
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 6, 2013 17:04:09 GMT
DOn't forget the Rally for Life in Merrion Square on Saturday afternoon and the hour of prayer beforehand in St Andrew's Westland Row. Nice to see the Pro-Life Campaign has been disseminating posters and leaflets in Polish as well as English.
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 6, 2013 21:43:03 GMT
Politics.ie has a discussion thread on the upcoming Rally for Life. Both sides are expressing themselves freely on the thread, and I was interested to notice this item from a couple of pro-choicers: www.politics.ie/forum/events/211461-pro-life-rally-saturday-3-00pm-8th-june-2013-a-5.htmlEXTRACT mary_jihad_fitzgerald Join Date Jun 2013 Posts 69 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Originally Posted by Libero To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I see the Sisters of Mercy will be there. Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy - Congregacion de las Hermanas de la Misericordia[/URL] So if any of the children on the march get hungry, and the local Spar is all out of Mars bars, you can ask the Sisters to throw scraps of food on the ground and the kids can all scramble to eat it. Then they can get a drink from the toilet cistern. Just like the old days. [/URL] If you think my comment is distasteful, it's not remotely as distasteful as some of the creeps who'll be turning out on Saturday, posing as defenders of young life. Still, I hope the sun shines. I predict violence. These people should not be allowed march. We need Unite Against Fascism to kick them off our streets. Anyone bringing hurley sticks? END Will any of the delicate souls who scream murder and incitement every time a pro-lifer refers to abortion as murder or compares Endipas to Herod condemn this direct incitement to violence, and suggest that it represents the hidden face of the pro-choicers? Of course they will not, any more than they condemned the systematic campaign of vandalism against Youth Defence posters by anarchist thugs last year. |
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 8, 2013 19:33:27 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 9, 2013 19:11:20 GMT
None of the news sources I have seen so far have mentioned Peadar Toibin TD speaking at the vigil for Life (He didn't speak from the platform but he was in the crowd and was interviewed by a roving microphone, with his statement being relayed to the crowd via the screens).
Why is this - did the news media simply pick up the press release (which presumably focussed on the platform speakers) without bothering to send anyone along? Or do they not want to pick up on instances of TDs breaking ranks to oppose the Bill, lest it encourage others?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 19:33:13 GMT
I headed down there and was struck by the increased variety of protesters too. Lots of priests too, many quite young. I would also note that the video messages from John McAreavey and Luther King's grand-niece were not mentioned at all by the media. A Luther King soundbite likening the dearth of abortion in Ireland to 20th century racism and it being the defining human rights struggle of our time would have made the news, no doubt. Mickey Harte is a typical Catholic 'oul fella and can be explained away but a handsome young man like his son-in-law? Crickets.
There seemed to be a concerted effort to ignore the whole thing by the media. Do any of ye who attended in January remember that camera on a ladder at the front that filmed the crowds? Not on Saturday. Enda was off to England on important business. I felt the loss of Niamh Uí Bhriain, Eoghan de Faoite, David Manly and Bernie Smyth. I wonder why they were noticably NOT there. Their fire, particularly the ladies and Eoghan, was energising and passionate. The Kerry guy and tall blonde lady were nice and civilised. That's about it. Lots of jokes. No sign of righteous anger except from the 2 memorable women. The 2 women who stood out for me were the lady who had 2 abortions from Women Hurt and the lady who had been advised to abort her toddler daughter who was in the crowd with dad. Great women, heroic women, full of fire. Neither took any nonsense and told the truth, that was clear. I didn't like the comment from Kerry guy that the PLC had organised this one and YD were holding their Rally in a month and "good luck to them with that". Not cool, appeared very dismissive.
By the time I finish this post that bill will already be published I suppose. God have mercy on us for what we are about to do in this country. The Life Institute is rolling out an ad campaign this week. I would urge anyone here with a spare bit of cash to transfer it their way this week, their billboards were very effective the last time. No I'm not affiliated with any of the groups, I just tithe where I see money well-spent. I don't think standing around waving balloons is enough, it never was but any more at this stage of the game would be pathetic. Do attend the YD Rally if you can as it's an annual thing that will hold up O' Connell Street for a bit and might get on the news. But after that, enough of the rallies alone. I wonder will there be any legal recourse for us? Hospitals with a Catholic ethos will be calling the barristers in, one would hope. Is there any way the unborn baby can be represented at these appeals by the State? Excellent statement by the bishops too. Enough of the balloons and candles though, the rallies proved that there are tens of thousands of us who feel strongly on this issue. That job is done. What next? What, in addition to letters and emails and rallies would they have us do?
Also to Young Ireland for his prescient comment a while back on the disunity of last week's rally. I thought you were being cynical and pooh-poohed the notion, but you were correct. I apologise.
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 12, 2013 20:41:50 GMT
The IRISH TIMES had a fairly full list of the platform speakers and did mention MS King and John McAreavy, but they only gave one phrase from each speaker.
Several posters on Politics.ie jeered at pro-lifers as hypocrites on the grounds that if we really think abortion is homicide we should be denouncing Adele Best from Women Hurt by Abortion instead of having her as a speaker. The IRISH TIMES had a snarky piece by some journalist giving her impressions of the rally (which amongst other things insinuated that we were only pretending to call for unmarried mothers to be supported and in our hearts really wanted them packed off to Magdalen asylums). I must say though the writer's impression that at least some of the protestors were there to show the flag but unsure what comes next sounds all too accurate, but we'll do our best anyway.
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 13, 2013 22:16:40 GMT
Niamh Ui Bhriain details threats against pro-lifers by Twitter users, including suggestions that Youth Defence members should be beaten up, the Life Institute offices should be burnt down, female Youth Defence members forcibly impregnated etc, and asks will these attract as much media attention as the alleged threats made by pro-lifers against FG TDs. We already know the answer - they will get as much media attention as the Workers' Solidarity Movement concerted campaign of vandalism against the Youth Defence poster campaign - that is, none whatsoever as it doesn't fit the preferred media narrative of demented pro-lifers funded by American gold viciously threatening St Enda and the Plain People of Ireland. www.thelifeinstitute.net/blog/2013/05/17/can-we-not-just-nail-niamh-ui-bhriain-to-a-cross-in-the-middle-of-oconnell-st-pro-abortion-abuse-ignored-by-media/ |
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 16, 2013 15:02:37 GMT
Today's SUNDAY TIMES has an editorial proclaiming that as the Opinion Polls have spoken on the subject of abortion, the PLP Bill should be passed without further debate and we should set about legalising abortion for rape, incest and handicap as a follow-up. Dismissing the Vigil for Life as reflecting pro-lifers' organisational abilities rather than numerical support, the editorial proclaims:
"This is not about counting Catholics. It's about saving lives."
Indeed that is an entirely accurate description of what the rally was about (and of course not all the participants, nor all the speakers, were Catholics). Many a true word is spoken in jest.
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 17, 2013 10:33:34 GMT
Since the Pro-Life campaign's mass sending of postcards to TDs is being described in some quarters as harrassment, it is worth putting on record that the pro-aborts have also been busy with mass message campaigns. Here we see the Abortion Rights Campaign Ireland's "Tell a Fine gael TD" campaign, whereby individual FG TDs were singled out for a mass bombardment of electronic messages on a given day: www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2013/05/15/tell-a-fine-gael-td-day-7-enda-kenny/ Why don't the mainstream media accuse the ARC of harrassment, as they said of pro-lifers who used the same tactic? Because the mainstream media have one standard for pro-lifers and another for pro-aborts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 12:50:44 GMT
Indeed, and what about Savita's photo stuck on YD offices with excrement? Plus the LI sent out an email this morning that those who protested outside Kenny's house were not prolifers, as reported by the media, it was a Father's Rights Group. There is a LOT of misinformation and tactical reporting by the media. Paper of record my eye. I thought that when Hib wrote a while back that prolife people need to document their history he was just being a man of his trade but he is bang on correct. It was also remarked on by Caroline Farrow how vicious the Irish prochoicers can be on Twitter, recently reporting a Scottish GP to the NHS, who self-identified as prolife and had the gall to call a foetus a baby. They recalled the tweet they had sent to the NHS when he deleted his account. Their reasoning was how would his poor patients feel if that was what he really believed and a woman with a crisis pregnancy presented herself having read that. Ridiculous. Will they do the same thing and report the midwife in the Coombe who asks them how mum and baby are doing today when they go for their scan? Talk about mind control.
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 17, 2013 19:25:44 GMT
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