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Post by annie on May 11, 2020 13:51:37 GMT
What are your own thoughts on Medjugorje, Annie? I have become a fan of E Michael Jones over the last years or so, mainly due to his historical perspective on usury and the degeneracy of our times (from his book Degenerate Moderns). But I don't necessarily agree with everything he has said. I don't know enough about Medjugorje to have an opinion. One of the reasons I don't look too deeply into it is because much of the arguments for and against are mixed up with the politics of the Balkans and the relatively recent ethnic violence there. I am sure that many people have returned to their faith after visits there, and this is a good thing. But that alone is not sufficient argument for the validity of Medjugorje. I know my Mum visited it years ago and had nothing bad to say about it. Unfortunately at the time she visited I didn't have the wit to talk to her at length about it. Hi Assisi, I would have classed myself as a CINO before visiting Medjugorje in 2003. I had read lots about it and about my faith but was lukewarm at best, inclined to be sceptical and cynical at worst. I might accept Christ on a cerebral level but found fault with the humans who made up His Church. I missed Mass for years and seldom visited a church except when obliged to for social reasons. I went to Medjugorje in 2003 to oblige a friend who didn't wish to travel alone. We travelled with a group and were taken care of by Joe Walsh Tours. I didn't really want to go at all. On the first day, we met with Philip Ryan and the local guides who explained a little of what our week would contain. Before we finished, the Angelus bell rang out, one of the guides said "We will now say the Angelus" and proceeded to say the prayers. At the words "and the Word was made flesh" when the guide genuflected right down to the ground, I looked around to see which comedian was going to appear and make fun of it all. None appeared, and I realised with a shock that the world I had lived in which sneered at all forms of Catholic or Christian religion, had no place here. For three days, I wondered what on earth had brought me there but gradually I relaxed and by the time it came to go home, I didn't want to go. I wanted to stay, it felt like my true home but we couldn't stay. In the meantime, my heart and spirit was healed. My life which had been on hold, resumed on all engines once I arrived back in Ireland. I recognised and acknowledged to myself the the Catholic faith was the true one. I had an amazing reconciliation in confession while there as well as experiencing many undeniable signs of God's gracious presence in that blessed and holy place, personal to me, which I ponder on daily to my great benefit. In thanksgiving for Medjugorje, I took the pledge and have been faithful to it to this day as I have to our faith. In Medjugorje, which is a wine growing region, we had been treated to copious amounts of delicious wine by our hosts so it seemed a fair bargain to say to the Lord "I shall wait to drink the next time with you in Heaven". I urge anyone who is able to go to do so. The local people are kind and patient and you will be taken care of as if you were their own. If you cannot travel, be assured that you are greatly loved by God Our Father who cares greatly for you, enough to send Our Lady to call us back to Him and the Church founded by His Son and sustained by His Spirit. The following link is to June Klins magazine for May 2020 which will enlighten you further. Let me know if you have trouble opening it. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10215783681055975&id=1562619552
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Post by assisi on May 17, 2020 20:19:27 GMT
What are your own thoughts on Medjugorje, Annie? I have become a fan of E Michael Jones over the last years or so, mainly due to his historical perspective on usury and the degeneracy of our times (from his book Degenerate Moderns). But I don't necessarily agree with everything he has said. I don't know enough about Medjugorje to have an opinion. One of the reasons I don't look too deeply into it is because much of the arguments for and against are mixed up with the politics of the Balkans and the relatively recent ethnic violence there. I am sure that many people have returned to their faith after visits there, and this is a good thing. But that alone is not sufficient argument for the validity of Medjugorje. I know my Mum visited it years ago and had nothing bad to say about it. Unfortunately at the time she visited I didn't have the wit to talk to her at length about it. Hi Assisi, I would have classed myself as a CINO before visiting Medjugorje in 2003. I had read lots about it and about my faith but was lukewarm at best, inclined to be sceptical and cynical at worst. I might accept Christ on a cerebral level but found fault with the humans who made up His Church. I missed Mass for years and seldom visited a church except when obliged to for social reasons. I went to Medjugorje in 2003 to oblige a friend who didn't wish to travel alone. We travelled with a group and were taken care of by Joe Walsh Tours. I didn't really want to go at all. On the first day, we met with Philip Ryan and the local guides who explained a little of what our week would contain. Before we finished, the Angelus bell rang out, one of the guides said "We will now say the Angelus" and proceeded to say the prayers. At the words "and the Word was made flesh" when the guide genuflected right down to the ground, I looked around to see which comedian was going to appear and make fun of it all. None appeared, and I realised with a shock that the world I had lived in which sneered at all forms of Catholic or Christian religion, had no place here. For three days, I wondered what on earth had brought me there but gradually I relaxed and by the time it came to go home, I didn't want to go. I wanted to stay, it felt like my true home but we couldn't stay. In the meantime, my heart and spirit was healed. My life which had been on hold, resumed on all engines once I arrived back in Ireland. I recognised and acknowledged to myself the the Catholic faith was the true one. I had an amazing reconciliation in confession while there as well as experiencing many undeniable signs of God's gracious presence in that blessed and holy place, personal to me, which I ponder on daily to my great benefit. In thanksgiving for Medjugorje, I took the pledge and have been faithful to it to this day as I have to our faith. In Medjugorje, which is a wine growing region, we had been treated to copious amounts of delicious wine by our hosts so it seemed a fair bargain to say to the Lord "I shall wait to drink the next time with you in Heaven". I urge anyone who is able to go to do so. The local people are kind and patient and you will be taken care of as if you were their own. If you cannot travel, be assured that you are greatly loved by God Our Father who cares greatly for you, enough to send Our Lady to call us back to Him and the Church founded by His Son and sustained by His Spirit. The following link is to June Klins magazine for May 2020 which will enlighten you further. Let me know if you have trouble opening it. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10215783681055975&id=1562619552Great story, Annie. It's hard to argue against Medjugorje after stories like that. The fact that you wanted to stay on and not go back to Ireland must have shocked the previous version of yourself, that all this could happen so quickly. I will start to look at the history of the site and the messages. The idea of something permanent appearing on the apparition hill as the fulfilment of the 3rd secret is certainly a bold prediction!
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Post by annie on May 19, 2020 10:37:53 GMT
The fact that you wanted to stay on and not go back to Ireland must have shocked the previous version of yourself, that all this could happen so quickly. I will start to look at the history of the site and the messages. The idea of something permanent appearing on the apparition hill as the fulfilment of the 3rd secret is certainly a bold prediction! The copious tears that came unbidden at the thought of having to go back to Ireland brought home to me the fact that here we are like fish confined to swimming in polluted water while in the whole parish of Medjugorge, the water is clean, fresh and sparkling. The love of God is tangible. It's why people return again and again - it's being back in your mother's arms. Much has been written about Medjugorje. I was even tempted to write a book myself! Fr Svet's wise advice to budding authors was to leave off writing any more books but rather make sure that you are faithful to Sunday Mass once you go home. It like when a car battery is flat. A good push will get you started but you need to keep the engine running to fully recharge the battery. There are many websites devoted to the phenomenon. Ones I would recommend are the parish's own one, June Klins site, Mary TV's site and Medjugorje.org which was my first source of help being the oldest and which follows Nedjo's site "Medjugorje my home" and the Mir, Peace, Shalom (iipg) prayer group started from Medjugorje by Nedjo is also hosted by them. Pax. www.medjugorje.hr/en/www.spiritofmedjugorje.org/SpiritJan2014Article.phpmarytv.tv/medjugorje.org/
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Post by annie on Aug 14, 2021 18:13:39 GMT
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Post by annie on Dec 5, 2022 11:38:43 GMT
Seasons greetings dear friends. As we come up to the feast which commemorates the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady, I have been musing on it's relevance in the history of mankind.
As far as I know, Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas discussed this and came down on different sides of the argument.
I have been musing on a different side of it apart from the theological one and want to share some thoughts with you.
Long long ago one of my boyfriends when discussing the breeding of pedigree dogs was firmly of the view that if the female dog had pups for a common type of dog that it would be useless for breeding ever after. Interesting. It may account for the great value put on virgins as brides down the centuries. The fear of a 'throwback' emerging in the family would be huge. Also could be the reason any handicapped child born was either swiftly dispatched by killing it, hiding it or giving it away. Also, there was a practise of the local or other lord having the first night with the bride instead of her bridegroom and thereby obtaining the allegiance of their subject. All this plays into my mind when I consider Our Lady's place in our history. She had to be a virgin and had to remain one all her life. She had to be conceived without original sin, otherwise this taint would carry on to Our Lord. We see things through a glass darkly in this life but to assist us, the Lord reveals us in terms understandable to us. A small example, whenever Our Lady was sent to people and conversed with those she met, she always spoke to them in the local dialect. There is no end to the love of God for humanity.
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Post by annie on Feb 6, 2024 14:28:23 GMT
You may be interested in reading this piece which covers the answers to many of the honest questions about this place. For myself, I can only say that it changed my whole outlook on life for the better, and for that I will be forever grateful. spiritdailyblog.com/apparitions/in-defense-of-medjugorje
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Post by annie on Mar 4, 2024 12:03:22 GMT
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