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Post by hibernicus on Jul 9, 2013 22:58:06 GMT
Somebody has hacked into the Youth Defence site, replaced it with a hostile message (now removed) and published the e-mail addresses of subscribers to their online newsletters. On this politics.ie thread, note the number of posters who explicitly defend this vandalism and thuggery www.politics.ie/forum/media/212908-youth-defence-website-hacked.html
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 10, 2013 20:50:24 GMT
Michelle Mulherin's speech was truly tragic, and another offence Herod Endipas must answer for at the next election, and hereafter. I notice the pro-aborts are howling that pro-lifers are being undemocratic if we don't accept the results of two referenda - I wonder did they say that after the 1983 and 1986 referenda? They want the pro-life cause expelled from the public arena altogether (cf the People Before Profit spokeswoman on the IRISH TIMES video a couple of days ago whose response to the March for Life was that she wanted the pro-life movement to be destroyed). Just as Haman could not be contented while he saw Mordecai sitting in the gate, so they will not be happy until pro-lifers are treated as equivalent to nazis. (The rhetoric we have seen from pro-choicers in relation to the march and the Bill is directly modelled on the argument used to support "no platform" policies in dealing with fascists.) Let us bear witness whatever the cost. Herod Endipas is offering his stooges the claim that if his evil Bill is passed the issue will go away and they'll have a quiet life. Let us speak out by all lawful means, and let us work for the reversal of this Bill however long it takes.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 10, 2013 21:01:28 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 10, 2013 21:10:32 GMT
Follow Cora Sherlock @corasherlock FG can window-dress it all they like but the TDs who vote for this Bill tonight are voting to introduce #abortion to Ireland. Reply Retweet Favourite More The conversation which follows Ms Sherlock's tweet is very revealing; note the bogus "Pope Francis" rejoicing in Ireland's supposed move away from theocracy. Here is another Twitter account which is, alas, all too authentic twitter.com/FlanneryTonyTony Flannery @flannerytony Connemara in the sunshine is a welcome relief from affairs of church and state. Reply Retweet Favourite More 2:37 AM - 10 Jul 13 (GMT-07:00) Tony Flannery @flannerytony 11h Best wishes to all tds in tonight's vote. Hope everyone's decision will be respected, and an end to rancour and abuse Collapse Reply Retweet Favourite More 2:35 AM - 10 Jul 13 (GMT-07:00) · Details Liam Foley @yelofmail 11h .@flannerytony Was it worth it Fr? Was it worth it being Enda's chaplain just to annoy the bishops? This bill will lead to deaths of unborn. Expand Netterville @netterville 11h @yelofmail @flannerytony what does it profit? Expand END Fr Flannery has found a more congenial role-model than St Alphonsus Liguori www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EVZwTMmk8cyoutu.be/_EVZwTMmk8c<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/_EVZwTMmk8c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Post by maolsheachlann on Jul 12, 2013 11:18:31 GMT
How depressing that almost all of the female TD's seem to have supported the Government's abortion Bill (though Roisin Shorthall, one of my local TD's, abstained-- and, of course, Lucinda Creighton was the most high-profile opponent, God bless her). It seems to support the accusation that the drive for abortion is pro-woman and that opposition to is primarily a male thing. Of course, anyone who joined any of the pro-life marches or rallies this year (or even saw footage and pictures of them) would realize that this is far from the case, but it's still an unfortunate circumstance. I wonder is there an explanation or is it just happenstance.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 12, 2013 21:24:42 GMT
I think it is partly the party whip (and the fact that there are no FF women TDs) and partly the divergence between many professional women (both leftie and rightie) and those who are more domestically-oriented. The Savita case probably played a role as well - I am told a lot of young women were really rattled by it and the coverage. Savita's fate certainly seems to have played a role in Regina Doherty's volte-face.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 13, 2013 13:47:17 GMT
In Texas the legislature has a special extended session to pass legislation restricting abortion. In Dublin, the Dail had an extended session to pass legislation making abortion more freely available. How desolate is the city...
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 14, 2013 7:53:01 GMT
Here we see (yet again) the pro-choicers using the presence of Michael Quinn (who is involved in a "white nationalist" group and has defended the massacre perpetrated by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway) on the March for Life, as an excuse to present all pro-lifers as fascists and racists. IMHO Mr Quinn, and anyone else who has similar connections (such as Jim Dowson) should be firmly invited to make themselves scarce whenever they turn up at pro-life events, and pro-lifers should dissociate themselves from them as strongly as possible. BTW of course I condemn the phenomemon mentioned in this Politics.ie thread - the online publication of the pictures of pro-choice demonstrators by neo-fascists and neo-nazis for purposes of intimidation, and the advocacy and actual use of violence by some individuals professing to be pro-lifers. I hope the pro-choicers who rightly protest at this will also condemn the similar publication of online photos of pro-life marchers by the far-left and anarchist groups who made up a large chunk of the pro-choice demonstration (and who were very ostentatiously photographing and videoing marchers as they passed) and the vandalism and thuggery perpetrated against pro-lifers by such groups. I won't hold my breath waiting. www.politics.ie/forum/justice/213120-neo-fascist-group-youth-defence-march-collecting-names-info-pro-choice-marchers.html
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 18, 2013 22:50:05 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 19, 2013 21:29:37 GMT
Here is the Politics.ie thread on the recent case whereby a young man (with the help of pro-life organisations) was able by a legal intervention to keep his girlfriend from being coerced by her parents into aborting their child: www.politics.ie/forum/justice/213250-more-abortion-news-man-tries-prevent-girlfriend-travelling-uk-78.html Note how some of the pro-choicers are weeping and wailing over this failure to administer the Sacrament of Abortion, circumstances bedamned: EXTRACTS Today, 06:46 PM #759 partnership partnership is online now Join Date Feb 2011 Posts 496 Have to very sceptical about this case given that the couple went to the pro choice people before going to the court. If someone I knew was being coerced to do something against their will the first person I would go to is the gardai. How do we know the boot is not on the other foot now with the partner coercing her to continue with the pregnancy - it would be very hard to have an abortion having been brought to court in the blaze of publicity. Either way this story stinks. ................... Today, 08:08 PM #764 landofthetree landofthetree is offline Join Date Nov 2012 Posts 368 Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post So it seems that it is not "the end of the road" for this baby, as his or her mother has decided not to kill it. Good on her. This baby will be famous! Hopefully they dont both end up dead under some grotto while the pro life hypocrites grasp their rosary's ................. Today, 09:54 PM #783 Mercurial Mercurial is offline Mercurial's Avatar Join Date Jun 2009 Posts 23,122 Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post But it does seem like the mother was being pressuried against her natural will Hubby probably knew that - he didnt want to be confrontational and alienate his wife Wise man it seems I don't think we can safely say that someone whose business has been dragged into the public spotlight like this hasn't been pressurised against their will. ...... Today, 09:57 PM #784 petaljam petaljam is online now petaljam's Avatar Join Date Nov 2012 Posts 3,124 Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post But it does seem like the mother was being pressuried against her natural will Hubby probably knew that - he didnt want to be confrontational and alienate his wife Wise man it seems So instead of being confrontational he tried to get a court order slapped on her? No manipulation going on there then. Sounds like a great relationship. Or not. PS love the upgrade to "hubby". I'm pretty sure he isn't, by the legal definition anyway.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 19, 2013 22:22:44 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Aug 16, 2013 20:54:37 GMT
A very fine piece by John Waters in today's IRISH TIMES discussing how the media are dominated by an unacknowledged groupthink on abortion (and a variety of other issues), and how contemptuous they are to anyone who points this out. www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/meeja-a-word-coined-by-metropolitans-to-keep-the-country-bumpkin-in-his-place-1.1495412EXTRACT The recent abortion “debate” exposed an abiding dysfunction in our national media: a grossly disproportionate number of journalists are ideologically exercised from a pro-choice direction. It was clear from the breaking of the dreadful story of Savita Halappanavar late last year that the unstated aim of the ensuing wall-to-wall media discussion was to break down Irish cultural resistance to abortion. Half-baked Usually, in stories where vital facts are unavailable, there’s a suspension of judgment until investigations have been completed. But here, the narrative was constructed from a few half-baked elements and, on the basis of speculation and ideological interpretation, dispatched around the globe with little regard for Ireland’s international reputation or the ultimate truth. Moreover, in the domestic pseudo-debate on the substantive issue reignited by the Halappanavar story, contrary voices were barely tolerated, being harangued not just by ideological opponents but more often by those supposedly charged with ensuring that debates are fairly and impartially conducted. It is frequently acknowledged – sometimes even by journalists – that there’s a growing problem with the way media selects new recruits from society. In the past, national news organisations recruited from, for example, both universities and the local press and operated internal meritocratic systems of advancement whereby the tea boy had the same chance as the graduate. Nowadays, journalists invariably come from the same stratum of society, with the same socio-cultural outlooks and aspirations, and are drilled in a handful of media courses by ex-journalist tutors exhibiting more than a passing affinity with certain ideological interpretations of reality. As a result, Irish journalism now takes it for granted that that there is but one “virtuous” way of seeing the world. Ostensibly, the favoured ideological “principles” read as feminist, left-wing, liberal, secular, etc, but in reality nothing is advanced or promoted out of a desire for any kind of truth. The main purpose is effect – to provide the contributor with a gracing aspect in the eyes of those whose approval is the point of the whole thing. That’s why, every day now, fundamental principles of the pre-existing philosophical outlooks of this society are sold out in the name of fashion and fad. Bias itself, oddly enough, is not the essential problem. Journalists, by their nature, need to be idealists of one kind or another. The real reason our media churn out in the name of journalism what’s really no more than propaganda is that media organisations don’t curb the ideological enthusiasm of their personnel, who are given free rein to advance their personal agendas in the name of reportage. No organisation has yet announced an intention to introduce mechanisms to counterbalance the inevitable tendency of people from similar backgrounds, and with similar ideological conditioning, to hold the same opinions about virtually everything. And no media outlet is prepared to cover this story as it would if such a cultural crisis occurred in any other public institution of discipline. END
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Post by hibernicus on Aug 16, 2013 21:26:29 GMT
Here is another depressing straw showing that the pro-abort offensive and attempt to project themselves as cool while demonising pro-lifers will continue without let-up. The Irish Film Institute will be screening the Irish premiere of a documentary about doctors who carry out late-term abortions in the US (late-term in this context = 6 months to birth). One of these doctors will attend for a Q&A. One of the justifications they put forward, BTW, is "foetal abnormality" which we have been hearing so much about in the Irish context lately. Apparently the film presents them as caring and compassionate, and emphasises their "heroism" by dwelling on the murder of Dr George Tiller, another late-term abortionists, by a self-professed pro-lifer as showing the threats they face from those demented pro-lifers. As a regular patron of the IFI I find this glorification of baby-butchers as suffering saints sick-making. This is also a very clear indicator of why the pro-life movement needs to stamp down and stamp down hard on anyone who even starts to toy with the idea that vigilantism against pro-aborts can ever be justifiable. Not only is this wrong in itself (see the five tests for a just war if you want to know why) it plays into the hands of the pro-aborts, assists them in getting the government to impose further restrictions on the pro-life movement, makes it harder to win people over the pro-life cause, and thus causes more abortions in the long term. Justifications of vigilante murders should not be tolerated even as part of an online discussion, as this increases the risk that unstable persons may pick up on it and go over the edge. Anyone who tries to post such justifications here will be banned and their posts will be deleted. I expect we will see certain sections of the media hyping this vile documentary when it is screened at the end of September, and possibly giving softball interviews to the abortionist when she comes to Ireland for the screening. Care to bet? www.ifi.ie/film/after-tiller-irish-premiere/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tilleren.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Tiller
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 8, 2013 22:02:42 GMT
SUNDAY INDEPENDENT reports some FG TDs have been refused communion by individual priests for voting for the PLP Bill, and they whinge bitterly about this. Shure what's the Ten Commandments between friends? Some of them also report being harrassed by pro-lifers. Some of the tactics described do seem unacceptable, but I would need to know the exact details of others to be sure that they are not simply equating criticism with harrassment The mindset of Deputy Aine Collins (FG, Cork NW) who went on a pilgrimage to Medjugorje weeks after voting to legalise abortion and complains she was harrassed by Youth Defence members on the pilgrimage [NB I condemn harrassment in the sense of abuse and insult as distinct from reasoned criticism politely expressed] is quite remarkable to behold. I would suggest the passage about whited sepulchres from Matthew 23:27 is very applicable to her EXTRACT Even weeks after the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill became law, another TD, Aine Collins, was subjected to abuse from Youth Defence while on a pilgrimage to Medjugorje in Bosnia and Herzegovina in August. She was also targeted on her arrival back at Cork Airport. Ms Collins said she was "deeply shaken" by the manner and timing of the protest. "I did feel it was totally inappropriate given where I was and when it was," she told the Sunday Independent. END OF EXTRACT The last sentence from this complaint by Jerry Buttimer TD is also very revealing. I should add that I utterly and totally condemn the death threats made against him, and if any of my readers know of anyone who makes or has made death threats of this sort they should report them to the Gardai immediately. Deputy Buttimer's sexuality should also not have been raised in this context as it is not going to convert anyone and will simply cause aggravation. EXTRACT However, one government TD this weekend said Archbishop Martin's intervention was "totally inappropriate". "He did more damage than good and certainly didn't endear himself to many of us," Jerry Buttimer told the Sunday Independent. "The level of vitriol and abuse was horrific. I received death threats which I referred to the gardai. I also got a lot of nasty stuff about my sexuality. This stuff came from the pro-life side, even though I myself have pro-life views." END OF EXTRACT So Mr Buttimer claims he has pro-life views although he supported the abortion-legalising PLP Act. This reminds me of AA Milne, the creator of Winnie-the-Pooh. Milne claimed all his life that he was a pacifist, even though he joined the British Army and fought in World War I and was a fervent supporter of the Allied war effort in World War II; he defended the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan as an eminently pacifist action. While Mr Milne's views and actions are defensible on other grounds, most people would think he was utterly deceiving himself when he claimed to be a pacifist. Deputy Buttimer is a pro-lifer in exactly the same sense that AA Milne was a pacifist, and anyone who is deceived by this claim (the deceived probably include Deputy Buttimer himself) have a lower mental age than Mr Milne's most enduring audiences, and finds it harder than that audience to distinguish fact from fantasy. www.independent.ie/irish-news/fg-tds-suffer-communion-snub-29561349.html
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 16, 2013 20:07:34 GMT
More on the loathsome documentary AFTER TILLER, which glorifies US abortionists who perform late-term abortions. The media smoke machine is already gearing up to promote it in the US - expect something similar in this country in a week or two, probably involving media interviews with the abortionist who is coming over for the Irish premiere. An American feminist columnist gives us a foretaste of the bilge we are about to be subjected to: www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/09/16/after_tiller_a_documentary_about_late_term_abortion_and_the_four_remaining.htmlEXTRACT The directors' statement for the upcoming documentary After Tiller, which follows the four remaining doctors in the country who perform third trimester abortions after the assassination of Dr. George Tiller in 2009, drives home how high the stakes are for the film's subjects: "They thought that if more Americans could meet them, and hear where they were coming from—even if they still disagreed with the work that they did—they at least might not want to kill them." [AND HITLER WAS NICE TO HIS DOGS AND BOUGHT FLOWERS FOR HIS SECRETARIES. DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT HIM?] After Tiller, which opens in New York on September 20th, provides a very intimate picture of these doctors' lives, work, and home. We meet the doctors, their children, and their spouses, and, in the case of Dr. Leroy Carhart, his horses—or the ones he still has: an anti-choice terrorist killed over a dozen of Dr. Carhart’s horses in an arson attack in 1991. [FORGET ABOUT THE BABIES - WEEP OVER THE HORSES] But most importantly, learn about what they do and why they do it. The filmmakers and doctors are very focused on getting the public to understand what we're actually talking about when we talk about late term abortion. Part of the problem is the word "abortion" itself. While it technically just means any kind of termination of a pregnancy before actual birth (doctors even call miscarriages "spontaneous abortions"), the word invokes a very specific and narrow image in most people's minds: A woman who doesn't want to have a baby gets a quick procedure to take care of it. For most first trimester abortions, that's basically how it goes, and so it's no wonder that many people assume that later abortions—even third trimester abortions—are more of the same, except involving women who, out of stupidity or malice, decided to dawdle until they're that far along. Inside the clinic walls, however, we see a very different story. Yes, there are a couple of cases of women around the 24 or 25 week mark who, because of rape or because they are teenagers from very religious families, put off abortion until they started to show, and to their credit, filmmakers Martha Shane and Lana Wilson didn't flinch from that. [THEY DON'T FLINCH FROM JUSTIFYING INFANTICIDE - HIB] However, most of the patients getting later term abortions in the film very much wanted to have their babies but, after getting a horrific diagnosis of serious fetal abnormalities, decided to terminate. Babies who would be born with organs on the outside, babies who would never be able to move, babies whose lives would be a few short days of unending pain before death: The almost-parents tell their stories haltingly, often weeping at how unfair it is to have to choose between two terrible options. The doctors struggle, too, often trying to parse which medical conditions are serious enough to justify abortions after 28 weeks. As Dr. Shelley Sella of Southwestern Women's Options in Albuquerque, New Mexico, explains, these very late abortions really are much more like delivering a stillborn baby than performing an abortion. For the doctors and the patients, the experience is much more like having to take a dying family member off life support than it is a failsafe for when the contraception didn't work. The reproductive rights debate that rages on daily in this country obscures the wide variety of experiences that tend to get lumped together under the word "abortion," a problem that After Tiller can hopefully go a small way toward fixing. END So this charming feminist is using handicapped babies as a stalking-horse for the unrestricted abortion licence - just like our Irish media have been doing. A matchup made in hell. And remember how much the whackjobs that murdered Tiller and burned Carhart's horses have done to make it possible for these butchers to portray themselves as victims. We need more thought about how to get the pro-life cause across to the unenlightened, and to put the pro-life ethos into practice. We don't need people who carry out, or even consider carrying out random acts of violence so they can fantasise about being heroes. If you come across such people, warn them off as strongly as you can; if you think they might actually put their fantasies into practice call the Gardai. It's the right thing to do and it's the pro-life thing to do. Expose the creeps for what they are - don't make them martyrs.
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