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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 20:11:05 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 11, 2011 13:45:33 GMT
No, the Host does not revert to being a wafer when it is desecrated any more than Jesus ceased to be divine when he was crucified. Nosferatu, for those of you with short memories, used to post here as "hazelireland". I kicked him off when he demanded that arguments about evidence for the existence of God should be conducted on the following basis: (a) The person advocating the existence of God is obliged to prove God's existence to the satisfaction of the person denying it. The person denying it is under no converse obligation to justify his unbelief, which he is entitled to treat as self-evident. (b) The person denying the existence of God is under no obligation to state what he would accept as evidence for the existence of God. His opponent must proceed from scratch without being able to refer to any specific argument or objection raised by the denier. (c) If the advocate puts forward arguments for the existence of God, the denier is entitled to dismiss them as not being legitimate evidence at all, without explaining the reasoning behind this rejection. I think this sheds a great deal of light on the depth of our friend's understanding of and commitment to the critical method of reasoning. Similarly if he knew anything about the subject of transubstantiation he would know that it is not detectable by the methods of physical science; basically this is all about sneering at believers. One hopes that his claim to have desecrated consecrated Hosts is mere idle bravado intended to distress believers who come across it and to present himself as a fearless adolescent Prometheus - essentially by telling lies to preen himself further on his superiority to credulous believers who may see his lies and believe them; I suspect this is the case but it will encourage others to do likewise in reality. The adolescent belief in blasphemy as a sign of progress to adulthood is being sedulously promoted by much of popular culture these days (cf the voguee for marking one's 33rd birthday with a "crucifixion party"); pop atheism is aimed at making it trendy. (THis BTW is another reason why the demand of the ACPI that religious belief should never be stated in terms not immediately understood by a 14-year-old child is harmful. They aim for simplicity, they end up with banalisation, and in so doing play into the hands of those who dismiss all religious belief as inherently puerile.) I suspect there is indeed a good deal of informal host desecration of this adolescent type going on in Ireland nowadays; I have heard some anecdotal evidence but I don't see how it could be measured.
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 16, 2011 13:37:30 GMT
I suggest that we pray for Nosferatu - I regret not having done so earlier. I make this suggestion quite straightforwardly, not as any sort of jibe.
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