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Post by justiceandcharity on Jul 1, 2009 15:33:37 GMT
Hi everyone. I’m looking for a book called “The Framework of a Christian State” by Edward Cahill. It was originally published circa 1930s and there was a later edition published in 1997. I have located the book in a library but I’m looking to buy either one of these editions. Can anyone help? JusticeAndCharity
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jul 2, 2009 1:24:56 GMT
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Post by justiceandcharity on Jul 2, 2009 15:56:15 GMT
Thanks Michael.
I’ve emailed them to see if they might be able to order it for me.
Hopefully they might be able to source it. If anyone else has a copy they would consider selling or knows where there is one available please let me know.
JNC
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jul 13, 2009 14:25:00 GMT
I hope Justice and Charity doesn't find reading this book to be a waste of time. Father Edward Cahill was an eccentric character.
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Post by justiceandcharity on Jul 13, 2009 23:19:44 GMT
I think Father Cahill was a pretty good representative of the prevailing zeitgeist.
Some of his ideas may be rather outdated but I think modern Irish Catholics could learn a lot from him.
I’m afraid my search still continues for the book.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 14, 2009 13:20:04 GMT
If you're in Dublin try Carraig Books in Blackrock (just past the village centre, walking down towards Seapoint on the side that doesn't face the motorway - it's about 100 yards past the parish church). They have a lot of older second-hand Catholic material; to browse there is a melancholy stroll through closed convents, seminaries and retreat houses. I would be interested to know what Justiceandcharity thinks there is to learn from a book published in the 1920s, in the full tide of Catholic optimism bot i Ireladn and europe about creating a distinctively Catholic social model on the basis of corporatism in the aftermath of the perceived failure of liberal civilisation in world War I. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then, some o fit bloodstained. That said, I haven't read the book myself though I have heard of Fr. Cahill's reputation for ecccentricity. Perhaps justiceancharity could post on his impressions of the book when he finally tracks it down?
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Post by justiceandcharity on Jul 19, 2009 22:52:38 GMT
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Post by Harris on Jul 20, 2009 15:04:40 GMT
Does the book, as the title suggests, explore the mechanisms of setting up a Theocracy, or is the subject matter more modest?
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 21, 2009 13:07:49 GMT
Depends how you define "theocracy". Properly-speaking a theocracy is ruled directly by clerics (as in Lamaist Tibet or present-day Iran. Cahill I believe advocated a confessional state, which is not the same thing though it tends towards it and has its own problems. This isn't just hair-splitting; a comparison would be with how you define a state as "socialist". A capitalist libertarian might define our present social-democratic social model as "socialist", a communist would see it as capitalist, but it is certainly socialist-influenced and more socialist than a nineteenth-century liberal state. In the same way not everyone who believes in Catholic social doctrine wants a theocracy, but they would believe there should be some degree of Catholic influence on society.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jul 21, 2009 14:48:03 GMT
I thought the review interesting. Fr Cahill was a predecessor of Fr Fahey, but his aims and objectives were a lot more modest. When Fr Fahey broke away from Fr Cahill's An Rioghacht to found Maria Duce, things went pear-shaped and down the road of Judaeo-Masonic conspiracy theories.
For all that Fr Cahill does buy into the story the Russian Revolution was confected by Jewish bankers - very pre-Holocaust. The description of the rocketing Japanese population growth is also very unfortunate - it would interesting to see how Fr Cahill would react to Japan's current demographic problems.
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