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Post by guillaume on May 24, 2009 18:50:24 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on May 25, 2009 9:08:14 GMT
Why doesn't Guiilaume post these items on existing threads instead of starting new ones? Having several threads just breaks up te discussion and makes it run out of steam quicker.
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Post by hazelireland on May 25, 2009 10:17:13 GMT
www.childabusecommission.com/rpt/That is a slightly easier address to remember and type if you are not in a position to copy and paste. Hope that helps anyone who might wish to read the report. It is important to read it, there is a lot in there and relying on the media to tell you what is there just will not cut it for anyone who wants to show they are actually interested in this topic. Hibernicus, you are not the Moderator of this forum. Do not presume to dictate how people may or may not post on this forum. Posting the same message twice on different threads on something that has nothing to do with the thread itself is actually MORE likely to "break the discussion" and cause the thread to run out of steam quicker. Derailing threads with your own irrelevant and off topic output appears to be your calling card of late however. The subject itself is huge and has very many aspects which can be discussed in isolation. Some of them do in fact warrant a thread of their own. You have no basis therefore, along with no authority, to dictate that it should all be in one thread. It would make as much sense as me demanding that since Catholicism is one subject everyone should just have one thread about it. Clearly nonsense. This whole scandal is too important to have one isolated thread on one isolate aspect of it.
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Post by hibernicus on May 25, 2009 10:21:07 GMT
I am not the moderator of this forum, but I am entitled to make suggestions. Guillaume's posts are not really about "different aspects" of the scandal - they are separate news items. It makes sense ot ahve differen threads for different discussions, but news items should be kept together as much as possible since this makes it easier to refer back to them.
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Post by hazelireland on May 25, 2009 10:32:05 GMT
Opinion read, noted, considered, filed and disregarded. Thanks anyway.
Back on topic, has anyone who does not want to derail all threads got anything to say on this report?
I admit I have not yet finished it, reading it very slowly to take it all in. In an attempt to stay clear headed and unemotional about the contents I am breaking up the reading into smaller time periods. I advise everyone to do the same if possible. It is too easy to get emotional and miss the contents and their importance and just be left with just anger.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on May 25, 2009 12:30:11 GMT
Back on topic, has anyone who does not want to derail all threads got anything to say on this report? I haven't read it, but I'm assuming the media summaries are accurate since no one has challenged them. As for my reaction: pity for the victims, disgust at what was done to them and at the way those in authority responded, and dismay at the fact that this may make it harder for some people to have faith. Hibernicus has summed up all of this very well in his latest posts on the Scandals thread (where, I agree, it might be better to pursue this subject).
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Post by hazelireland on May 25, 2009 13:23:15 GMT
If it makes you feel any better I do not think such stories will make it harder for people to have faith or to practice it. I think it will just make it harder for people to think that the Church is the best authority on espousing that faith or how to practice it.
People are spiritual and many of them have faith in a higher being. They seek people who can help guide them in that and explain it to them. Just because people have, for very good reason, lost faith in Ireland Church as being the source of such knowledge and guidance... I do not think we can assume that people will therefore always be lead to less faith or less spirituality.
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Post by Hemingway on May 25, 2009 15:54:04 GMT
Thanks for the link. I started to read it over the weekend. I'm still on the first volume. Theres a hell of a lot to get through.
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Post by guillaume on May 26, 2009 9:40:36 GMT
If it makes you feel any better I do not think such stories will make it harder for people to have faith or to practice it. I think it will just make it harder for people to think that the Church is the best authority on espousing that faith or how to practice it. People are spiritual and many of them have faith in a higher being. They seek people who can help guide them in that and explain it to them. Just because people have, for very good reason, lost faith in Ireland Church as being the source of such knowledge and guidance... I do not think we can assume that people will therefore always be lead to less faith or less spirituality. No. The evil nature of those scandals won't change my faith in Jesus and in His Church. This might affect, though, people in which their faith was already weak in the Church, non practising Catholics, doubtful people, etc... As they were already on the verge to quit the Church, those revelations might affect them in a way that they definitely will quit the Church.
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