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Post by cpm on Feb 23, 2009 21:59:46 GMT
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Post by guillaume on Feb 24, 2009 8:43:32 GMT
Fr Iggy's comments are a disgrace.
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 24, 2009 15:26:38 GMT
Melancholicus of INFELIX EGO has "fisked" Fr. Iggy's statement (for the uninitiated - to "fisk" a statment is to subject it to detailed criticism/refutation on the Internet; the verb "to fisk" derives from the foreign correspondent Robert Fisk, whose journalism on the Middle East has frequently been subjected to scuh critiques by political opponents). infelixego.blogspot.com/2009/02/iggy-gets-in-on-act.htmlMelancholicus also notes this riposte in the IRISH TIMES letters column by a Galway priest, who points out amongst other thigns how ironic it is that Iggy should be calling down excommunication on all those who make theologically dubious and morally harmful statements. infelixego.blogspot.com/2009/02/iggy-gets-in-on-act.html
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 24, 2009 16:24:30 GMT
By the way, Fr. Tierney jumped on the bandwagon in the 12 February IRISH CATHOLIC, proclaiming that the Williamson affair showed the Church was "institutionally dysfunctional" and reflected "the unseemly haste to rehabilitate the arch-traditionalists and continue the effort to return the Churhc to a pre-Vatican two model". "How is it that efforts to reconcile liberal theologians and clerics have been far less strenuous than the time spent on the Lefebvre people". (The answer is that most of the liberals to whom he refers were never excommunicated in the first place, though I can think of a few who richly deserve it. The late science writer Martin Garner remarked that Hans Kung's religious views appeared to him to be identical to his own - i.e. a Kantian theist, or more precisely a deist, that they seemed to him to be quite incompatible with Catholicism or even Christianity as conventionally understood, that he thought Pope John Paul II was quite right to declare that he was not a Catholic theologian and he couldn't see why Kung continued to call himself a Catholic. Quite a few people have been as scandalised by the leniency Fr. Kung has received from the Vatican as Fr. Tierney is by the extension of mercy to Bishop Williamson, but they pout up with it because they respect the Poep's authority as successor of St. Peter.) admittedly Fr. Tierney was responding to Bishop Williamson's statements on Youtube, whihc would induce a state of shock in anyone, but I think this fits into a long pattern in fr. Tierney's column of denouncing "conservative" actions and position wihtout bothering to think through their rationale or understand what they are meant to achieve. Fr. Tierney can be quite interesting when he reflects on his own experiences and on the problems of contemporary catechesis, but too often he lets the "Spirit of Vatican II" party line substitute for original thought.
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 24, 2009 16:26:59 GMT
In fairness, I shoudl add that the same issue of THE IRISH CATHOLIC has some very hihg-quaity coverage and commentary on the dreadful Maciel scandal and its implications for the Legionaries of Christ. Mary KEnny also has a good riposte to Bishop Pat Buckley's calling for an Irish Catholic Church.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 24, 2009 22:28:21 GMT
I think we should all take Fr Zuhlsdorf's hint and make our views known to the unfortunate Provincial of the Irish Augustinians, Very Rev Fr Gerry Horan, St. Augustine’s, Taylor’s Lane, Ballyboden, Dublin 16. I am certainly going to do so.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Feb 25, 2009 9:43:38 GMT
I think we should all take Fr Zuhlsdorf's hint and make our views known to the unfortunate Provincial of the Irish Augustinians, Very Rev Fr Gerry Horan, St. Augustine’s, Taylor’s Lane, Ballyboden, Dublin 16. I am certainly going to do so. Experience shows that is useless. Try copying to the Prior General: Most Rev Fr Robert Prevost OSA, Curia Generalizia Agostiniana Via Paolo VI, 25 00193 Roma - Italia That worked better last time.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 25, 2009 18:29:34 GMT
Will do. Thanks.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Feb 26, 2009 16:35:45 GMT
To return to the man in the middle, Father Iggy O'Donovan taught in Good Counsel College, New Ross for many years without incidence, where the Augustinian house in Drogheda, was regarded as a wild card. Sometime in the 1990s, Father Iggy was made Prior of Drogheda, where his radical predecessor predicted he would be very quiet. Experience shows he wasn't.
I wonder if there is something in the air in Drogheda - the Dominican House in Drogheda is pretty way out too (unless you regard a woman reading the Gospel at Mass as normal).
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 27, 2009 23:25:24 GMT
I wonder if there is something in the air in Drogheda - the Dominican House in Drogheda is pretty way out too (unless you regard a woman reading the Gospel at Mass as normal). The Augustinians in Drogheda are worse. I had the unhappy experience of Sunday Mass with fourteen-year-old dancing girls in leotards. Pervert heaven.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 28, 2009 12:35:45 GMT
I wonder if there is something in the air in Drogheda - the Dominican House in Drogheda is pretty way out too (unless you regard a woman reading the Gospel at Mass as normal). The Augustinians in Drogheda are worse. I had the unhappy experience of Sunday Mass with fourteen-year-old dancing girls in leotards. Pervert heaven. The Augustinians in Galway renovated their church recently. A project made and financed by lay people. Result : Before : After : or The project cost nearly 4 000 000 Euros ! You can visit the Church in 360 degree and even make some comments on their messages board : augustinians.ie/galway/Church/Renovation.htm And what about this ? " Seder Meal. For the last couple of years we have got together with the Church of Ireland community for a celebration of the Jewish Seder Meal. We will continue this custom this year. We have yet to decide on a date, but it will probably take place in the week prior to Holy Week. (Palm Sunday falls on April 5th). As you know, the Seder Meal is the Jewish celebration of the liberation of their ancestors from slavery in Egypt, the Exodus. " Is that kind of celebration authorised from a Catholic religious community ?
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 28, 2009 13:49:59 GMT
Nicely Protestantised. No crucifixes or images or any of that nasty Catholic stuff. A Free Presbyterian would feel right at home. Perhaps that is the intention.
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Post by myk on Feb 28, 2009 17:40:41 GMT
And what about this ? " Seder Meal. For the last couple of years we have got together with the Church of Ireland community for a celebration of the Jewish Seder Meal. We will continue this custom this year. .... " Is that kind of celebration authorised from a Catholic religious community ? what is wrong with such a meal? it sounds to me like an interesting get together with other christians.
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Post by myk on Feb 28, 2009 17:43:04 GMT
Nicely Protestantised. No crucifixes or images or any of that nasty Catholic stuff. A Free Presbyterian would feel right at home. Perhaps that is the intention. i can see crosses in the picture above. I couldn't access the website in order to get a better view (poor internet connection), but it looks nice to me.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 1, 2009 17:57:24 GMT
I have heard of seder meals being celebrated by Christians in America, both Catholic and Protestant. It has attracted criticism from anti-semitic traditionalists and from Jews who object to it as Christians playing at being Jews. (The Seder meal is the Passover celebration inn memory of the Israelites' liberation from Egypt - i.e. what Jesus and the apostles celebrated at the Last Supper). Viewers of THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST aill be familiar with the firs tof the questions (asked by the youngest household member of the oldest, and in the film asked by Mary Magdalene of the Virgin Mary). "Why is this night above all other nights?" "Because we were slaves and now we are slaves no longer".
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