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Post by Noelfitz on Jul 19, 2008 12:14:47 GMT
Falconer I have been thinking of your previous post. One is innocent until provedd guilty. Those accused of an offence are entitled to be able to be defended in court. The Nora Wall case shows terrible miscarriages of justice can occur www.alliancesupport.org/news/archives/000931.html.
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Post by eircomnet on Jul 19, 2008 13:16:35 GMT
I read recently that a student in MI (Mary Immaculate College of Education, Limerick) claimed that in MI students are taught that all religions are equally valid and that no lecturer there claimed that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. The student also said that some of the teachers teaching Catholic theology are not Catholic. Are you surprised? No, not surprised, anyone who knows anything about the state of Religious Education in Ireland will be aware that this is true of all levels from primary through secondary and up to third level.
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Post by falconer on Jul 19, 2008 13:18:11 GMT
Falconer Thank you for your stimulating post. You wrote: "Auto-respect is one of the great curses of the human race." Would you like to develop what you mean? Are auto-respect and self-respect the same. No I wouldn't. Read the post in question, the answer is there already.
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Post by falconer on Jul 19, 2008 13:28:23 GMT
Falconer I have been thinking of your previous post. One is innocent until provedd guilty. Those accused of an offence are entitled to be able to be defended in court. The Nora Wall case shows terrible miscarriages of justice can occur www.alliancesupport.org/news/archives/000931.html. Based on this thread that's a complete non sequitur . It's the same tactics christian brothers and priests used in schools. They constantly tried to connect A to Z as if there was nothing in between.
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Post by Noelfitz on Jul 19, 2008 16:26:26 GMT
Broad statements without justification really do not develop the truth.
I would emphasize that one is innocent until proven guilty.
Justice and truth are important.
But we are getting far from my initial query in this thread.
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Post by Noelfitz on Jul 19, 2008 20:53:57 GMT
Falconer,
thank you for your post.
You wrote: "1. Ask the question is a clear and definite manner."
I will bear in mind your request.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jul 20, 2008 20:56:35 GMT
No, not surprised, anyone who knows anything about the state of Religious Education in Ireland will be aware that this is true of all levels from primary through secondary and up to third level. Sadly, I believe you are absolutely right. Our atheist friends on the board have nothing to fear on this score.
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Post by irishknight on Jul 20, 2008 21:00:13 GMT
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jul 20, 2008 21:10:11 GMT
Yes, if I were you I'd be laughing too.
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Post by irishknight on Jul 20, 2008 21:22:41 GMT
Laughter is the best medicine...
But on a more important note I do think that teaching people about other religions, no matter what age, is important. Just because you are being taught it doesn't mean you have to follow it nor even agree with it.
By learning about other peoples religion you also learn something about their culture. In this day and age were Ireland plays host to many peoples from many countries, it is important to understand were they are coming from and what they believe.
By doing this you are not only educating the people about other religions but you are also teaching people to see that we are all the same. Sure we might have a different culture, language or religion, but in the end we are the same, more or less, we are human.
And if teaching other people religion stop just one small percentage of the level of intolerance, surely that is a good thing...
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Post by Noelfitz on Jul 21, 2008 2:38:03 GMT
Irishknight,
Your recent post is thoughtful.
However to study other religions it is importnt to learn also about Catholicism. This will give a focus to the study.
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Post by irishknight on Jul 21, 2008 11:05:02 GMT
Hey Noel, despite what I would like to happen, I do agree that it is important for everyone to learn about religion, Catholicism included. However I can safely say that much more time is given over to Catholicism in secondary schools, can't really comment on national schools. Oh they might not say it is from the bible or dogma, but a lot of religion class is given over to morals etc. Having only left secondary school about a year ago, I can say a lot of what is taught is based on Catholicism, even if they don't say it is....
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Post by falconer on Jul 21, 2008 16:37:20 GMT
Irishknight, Your recent post is thoughtful. However to study other religions it is importnt to learn also about Catholicism. This will give a focus to the study. Everything should be studied and done without regard to the version of the victor. But what constitutes teaching about Catholicims. Do you really think the Vatican would allow the teaching of all the history of the papacy? Can you see a class on Cum nimis absurdum, the Donation of Constantine , the Reign of the Harlots or whatshisname diggin up the other guy and excommunicating him?
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Post by Noelfitz on Jul 21, 2008 19:48:51 GMT
Falconer
You wrote:
"Do you really think the Vatican would allow the teaching of all the history of the papacy? Can you see a class on Cum nimis absurdum, the Donation of Constantine , the Reign of the Harlots or whatshisname diggin up the other guy and excommunicating him?"
Debate is sometimes helpful.
I have asked you before to explain in some detail what you are getting at.
Would you please tell us more about the reign of the harlots?
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Post by irishknight on Jul 21, 2008 19:58:40 GMT
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