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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 12, 2017 9:48:39 GMT
And you are telling us that there was no sexual depravity or lewdness in the Catholic Church before Vatican II? Whatever you might say about John XXIII or Pope Francis, nobody is accusing them of keeping mistresses of having illegitimate children. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popesYour arguments are terrible. And you have not answered my question. Where now is the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church? Does it assemble in your living room every Sunday? And what then has become of our Lord's promise to St. Peter?
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Post by Young Ireland on Dec 12, 2017 22:14:04 GMT
And you are telling us that there was no sexual depravity or lewdness in the Catholic Church before Vatican II? Whatever you might say about John XXIII or Pope Francis, nobody is accusing them of keeping mistresses of having illegitimate children. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popesYour arguments are terrible. And you have not answered my question. Where now is the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church? Does it assemble in your living room every Sunday? And what then has become of our Lord's promise to St. Peter? I love how you address yourself as "Us"! Lol! It is your attempt, at keeping everyone, in a group think mode. How evil. Are you the "leader" of some groupies? Yes, you have two followers Annie and Angelo. Necessarily, using secular sources [wiki] in an attempt to prove your argument, concerning the catholic church doesnt fly. It seems that all you are doing is attempting to destroy the Immaculate Catholic church. I have been exposing the counterfeit catholic church, in its behavior and speech. In light of the thread and all the dogmas that I cited, you keep going around and around in the same lies, trying debunk the truth. You have not cited one piece of the thread, refuting it. You make general false statements i.e. bad arguments etc.
At this point, I truly believe that you are a troll, that has been imbedded and infesting this forum since Aug 25, 2012 at 1:07pm, for the purpose of keeping people in their confusion and false ideas of the teachings of the catholic church. I ask everyone to be very careful and pay attention to what this person [maolsheachlann] says to you, when this person gives advice or information, supposedly that might be catholic. In these dangerous times, every man must diligently labor and research, and verify, to find the truth. Remember the principle wolves in sheep's clothing.This is why I shared with everyone the information regarding the thread, with links to other information, trying to help others, as to what I have found. I highly recommend that everyone who cares, should visit www.vaticancatholic.com Those of goodwill and of the truth, you will find answers to all of your questions, regarding the Catholic church and the counterfeit catholic church.Quote: "Where now is the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church? Does it assemble in your living room every Sunday? And what then has become of our Lord's promise to St. Peter?" For the sake of those who may not have done extensive research concerning the history of the bible and the teachings of the catholic church, I will answer this question above, with a question. Please remember, God is consistent in the old and the new testaments, because man is consistently evil, and so God will faithfully react punitively.Where was the church [Temple] during the 70 years, when the Judeans were enslaved, under the authority and dominion of King Nebuchadnezzar, in Babylon [modern day Iraq], when Jerusalem was burnt and flattened and the Ark of the old testament was hidden in a cave on Mount Abarim by Jeremias in 586 BC? 2 Machabees 2:4-5 [4] It was also contained in the same writing, how the prophet, being warned by God, commanded that the tabernacle and the ark should accompany him, till he came forth to the mountain where Moses went up, and saw the inheritance of God. [5] And when Jeremias came thither he found a hollow cave: and he carried in thither the tabernacle, and the ark, and the altar of incense, and so stopped the door.For those who really care about knowing what is going on and what has consistently happened throughout history, when man turns away [revolts] from God, I have repeatedly proffered the proof of what God will do and in fact, has done for the last time in history. He allowed His church to be profaned and destroyed by deception, similarly, just like the evil King Antiochus of the Machabees. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.John 10:1-2, [1] Amen, amen I say to you: He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber. [2] But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.Prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi: 7. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days JESUS CHRIST WILL SEND THEM NOT A TRUE PASTOR, BUT A DESTROYER." [TAKEN FROM Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi, Washbourne, 1882, pp. 248-250]Our Lady of Fatima clearly said that we are in the end times and in the last battle with the devil. And the devil has many evil men, willing to do his will, attempting to destroy truth, which destroys souls.God promising a man on His Throne, with infallibility, was conditional, predicated upon obedience to HIS COMMANDMENTS, in the old testament and in the new testament. Again, here is God's demands upon Solomon, with the first physical structure [building] of God's church, in history.2 Paralipomenon 7:16-22 [16] For I have chosen, and have sanctified this place, that my name may be there for ever, and my eyes and my heart may remain there perpetually. [17] And as for thee, if thou walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and keep my justices and my judgments: [18] I will raise up the throne of thy kingdom, as I promised to David thy father, saying: There shall not fail thee a man of thy stock to be ruler in Israel. [19] But if you turn away, and forsake my justices, and my commandments which I have set before you, and shall go and serve strange gods, and adore them, [20] I will pluck you up by the root out of my land which I have given you: and this house which I have sanctified to my name, I will cast away from before my face, and will make it a byword, and an example among all nations. [21] And this house shall be for a proverb to all that pass by, and they shall be astonished and say: Why hath the Lord done thus to this land, and to this house? [22] And they shall answer: Because they forsook the Lord the God of their fathers, who brought them out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on strange gods, and adored them, and worshipped them: therefore all these evils are come upon them.God is faithful and not a liar, like most men are.Psalms 115:11 I said in my excess: Every man is a liar.Psalms 61:10 But vain are the sons of men, the sons of men are liars in the balances: that by vanity they may together deceive."Apocalypse 21:8 … and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.For those persons who may think, that it is ok to lie, let them take heed.For those who have been following this thread, please take notice how I have extensively provided evidence to support the thread and this other person has provided nothing, but ad hominem attacks on me.I will not be responding to this person anymore, this person has completely exposed himself, for what he is, a destroyer of truth and the purveyor of confusion.
With all men, it is possible to arrive at the truth, the conclusion, rather than endless opinion, after opinion, in an endless cycle of confusion. Say the Rosary everyday, with devotion, and you will receive instruction from God. Sister Lucia, of Fatima, verified that God is giving to the world, to last remedies, there would be no others. The recitation of the Rosary and the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
As Jesus came through Mary, the Holy Ghost does the same thing. All grace passes through the hands of Mary.
Luke 1:26-28 [26] And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, [27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. [28] And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Mary, is the spouse, of the Holy Ghost. Mary, is Mother, of the Son. Mary, is daughter, of the Father. Mary, is the Living Ark of the New Testament. Mary is the fulfillment of the old testament ark. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-0WywmkQCw
John 14:26 But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.
Ecclesiasticus 4:11-13 [11] And thou shalt be as the obedient son of the [Holy Ghost] most High, and he will have mercy on thee more than a mother. [12] Wisdom inspireth life into her children, and protecteth them that seek after her, and will go before them in the way of justice. [13] And he that loveth her, loveth life: and they that watch for her, shall embrace her sweetness.
Ecclesiasticus 6:23-25, 29-34[23] For the wisdom of doctrine is according to her name, and she is not manifest unto many, but with them to whom she is known, she continueth even to the sight of God. [24] Give ear, my son, and take wise counsel, and cast not away my advice. [25] Put thy feet into her fetters, and thy neck into her chains: … [29] For in the latter end thou shalt find rest in her, and she shall be turned to thy joy. [30] Then shall her fetters be a strong defence for thee, and a firm foundation, and her chain a robe of glory: [31] For in her is the beauty of life, and her bands are a healthful binding. [32] Thou shalt put her on as a robe of glory, and thou shalt set her upon thee as a crown of joy. [33] My son, if thou wilt attend to me, thou shalt learn: and if thou wilt apply thy mind, thou shalt be wise. [34] If thou wilt incline thy ear, thou shalt receive instruction: …
Erm... if Maolsheachlann is a troll, that must mean we are all trolls then! Regarding your point about the Old Testament, that was specifically referring to the Davidic kingship, and to present them as relating to the present Church is inaccurate. If God had sought to revoke the Church's authority, He would have done so long before now, perhaps in the century before the Reformation. But you see Our Blessed Lord said that He would be with His Church always, not just when it is righteous, which mankind never has been. BTW, your arguments have been repeatedly rebutted, but instead of calmly addressing those rebuttals, what we have seen is needless insults and ad-hominem attacks, up to and including slander, hence why your last post has been reported.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 12, 2017 22:40:06 GMT
So for the last five years on this forum, I've been trolling by having rather sedate and gentlemanly discussions on Catholicism with a small group of fellow Catholics with whom I agree on the fundamentals of the Faith. A rather unambitious troll...
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 12, 2017 23:59:30 GMT
All salvation is through the Catholic Church, but it is possible for non-Catholics to be saved. This is the Church's own teaching.
You, sadly, have put yourself outside the Church. I hope you repent of your sedevacantism and return to the fold.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 13, 2017 0:56:27 GMT
You can't even spell ad hominem. If you simply glance through the threads on this forum, you will see that the vast majority of participants are faithful to the Pope and the Magisterium.
In his encylical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, the pre-Vatican II Pope Pius IX wrote:
"It is known to us and to you that those who are in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion, but who observe carefully the natural law, and the precepts graven by God upon the hearts of all men, and who being disposed to obey God lead an honest and upright life, may, aided by the light of divine grace, attain to eternal life; for God who sees clearly, searches and knows the heart, the disposition, the thoughts and intentions of each, in His supreme mercy and goodness by no means permits that anyone suffer eternal punishment, who has not of his own free will fallen into sin." (Hey, look, proof-texting is easy.)
The sources you quote simply demonstrate that everybody is saved THROUGH the Church alone.
We have refuted you over and over; simply bleating "I have not been refuted" proves nothing.
If you consult the thread "Why do so few post here?", you will see that a lack of active posting is a general problem on this forum, and you should not flatter yourself that the lack of troll-feeding towards you is any kind of agreement.
Perhaps some of the lurkers might speak up to show this person his dissidence is not appreciated?
By the way, something I've also noticed about you sedevacantists and dissidents. You only ever address yourself to faithful Catholics, like those who post here. You seem to make no effort to evangelize non-Catholics or lapsed Catholics. You are completely parasitic upon the real Church, the mystical body of Christ.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 13, 2017 10:00:34 GMT
In charity, Truth, your arguments are TERRIBLE. The Catholic Church was founded at Pentecost, so it didn't exist in the time of the Old Testament. The lineage of Jesus includes bad kings such as Rehoboam. Even King David did evil when he deliberately brought about Uriah's death. The Gospels are a record of the moral failings of the apostles, including St. Peter's threefold disowning of Jesus. Indeed, our Lord addresses St. Peter as "Satan" at one point. Don't you think such references are there for a reason? The Popes have hardly been consistent models of virtue. Indeed, you mention in one of your own rants that Pope Honorius was condemned by the Third Council of Constantinople. And what about Pope Stephen VII, who exhumed his predecessor and put him on trial? If you don't accept non-Catholic sources, then read the Catholic Encyclopedia entry: www.newadvent.org/cathen/14289d.htmIf the promise of St. Peter was not nullified THEN, as you seem to think possible, why would it suddenly be nullified in the mid-twentieth century? Your objection to the pronoun "we" is bizarre. "We" is the pronoun used when you are speaking on behalf of more than one person-- simple as that. Myself and Young Ireland have been pointing out your flagrant errors for several days now, so that is why we use the word "we". It's not an attempt to speak on behalf of the other members of the forum, though I'm pretty sure that the vast majority agree with us.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 13, 2017 16:22:58 GMT
Perhaps Mr Far-From-the-Truth might like to answer Chapter 3 of Pastor Aeternus, the Dogmatic Constitution of the Church proclaimed at the First Vatican Council, NOT the Second Vatican Council:
8. Since the Roman Pontiff, by the divine right of the apostolic primacy, governs the whole Church, we likewise teach and declare that he is the supreme judge of the faithful, and that in all cases which fall under ecclesiastical jurisdiction recourse may be had to his judgment. The sentence of the Apostolic See (than which there is no higher authority) is not subject to revision by anyone, nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment thereupon. And so they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman Pontiff.
Game. Set. Match. Thank you!
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 13, 2017 17:50:36 GMT
In charity, Truth, your arguments are TERRIBLE. The Catholic Church was founded at Pentecost, so it didn't exist in the time of the Old Testament. The lineage of Jesus includes bad kings such as Rehoboam. Even King David did evil when he deliberately brought about Uriah's death. The Gospels are a record of the moral failings of the apostles, including St. Peter's threefold disowning of Jesus. Indeed, our Lord addresses St. Peter as "Satan" at one point. Don't you think such references are there for a reason? The Popes have hardly been consistent models of virtue. Indeed, you mention in one of your own rants that Pope Honorius was condemned by the Third Council of Constantinople. And what about Pope Stephen VII, who exhumed his predecessor and put him on trial? If you don't accept non-Catholic sources, then read the Catholic Encyclopedia entry: www.newadvent.org/cathen/14289d.htmIf the promise of St. Peter was not nullified THEN, as you seem to think possible, why would it suddenly be nullified in the mid-twentieth century? Your objection to the pronoun "we" is bizarre. "We" is the pronoun used when you are speaking on behalf of more than one person-- simple as that. Myself and Young Ireland have been pointing out your flagrant errors for several days now, so that is why we use the word "we". It's not an attempt to speak on behalf of the other members of the forum, though I'm pretty sure that the vast majority agree with us. "The lineage of Jesus includes bad kings such as Rehoboam. Even King David did evil when he deliberately brought about Uriah's death."
What bible are you using?
LOL! Ok, now you have proved yourself a troll. Perhaps you have a special sedevacantist Bible?
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Post by Young Ireland on Dec 13, 2017 17:56:25 GMT
In charity, Truth, your arguments are TERRIBLE. The Catholic Church was founded at Pentecost, so it didn't exist in the time of the Old Testament. The lineage of Jesus includes bad kings such as Rehoboam. Even King David did evil when he deliberately brought about Uriah's death. The Gospels are a record of the moral failings of the apostles, including St. Peter's threefold disowning of Jesus. Indeed, our Lord addresses St. Peter as "Satan" at one point. Don't you think such references are there for a reason? The Popes have hardly been consistent models of virtue. Indeed, you mention in one of your own rants that Pope Honorius was condemned by the Third Council of Constantinople. And what about Pope Stephen VII, who exhumed his predecessor and put him on trial? If you don't accept non-Catholic sources, then read the Catholic Encyclopedia entry: www.newadvent.org/cathen/14289d.htmIf the promise of St. Peter was not nullified THEN, as you seem to think possible, why would it suddenly be nullified in the mid-twentieth century? Your objection to the pronoun "we" is bizarre. "We" is the pronoun used when you are speaking on behalf of more than one person-- simple as that. Myself and Young Ireland have been pointing out your flagrant errors for several days now, so that is why we use the word "we". It's not an attempt to speak on behalf of the other members of the forum, though I'm pretty sure that the vast majority agree with us. "The lineage of Jesus includes bad kings such as Rehoboam. Even King David did evil when he deliberately brought about Uriah's death."
What bible are you using?
Here is where Rehoboam also known as Roboam is mentioned in Matthew's Gospel: biblehub.com/drb/matthew/1.htm
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 13, 2017 18:22:58 GMT
Regarding Mr Missing Truth's claim that God's reaction to man's evil will be "faithfully punitive"...consider Psalm 103, "he hath not dealt with us according to our sins, nor rewardeth us according to our iniquities". Fail!
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 13, 2017 19:08:22 GMT
LOL! Ok, now you have proved yourself a troll. Perhaps you have a special sedevacantist Bible? ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT BIBLE ARE YOU USING!?
LOL. Dear Mr. Truther, I read many Bibles so I wasn't "using" any Bible in referring to simple facts of Scripture. I usually read the Douay Rheims. P.S. Are you Pope Michael?
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