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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 1:13:55 GMT
Yes, I know you would like me to stop, because the poverty of your arguments is becoming quite clear.
Yes, I accept Vatican II. If you think that's a knock-down argument, you are on the wrong forum, since everybody here also accepts Vatican II. You're going to have to convince us otherwise using non-question-begging arguments. Sadly, you have none.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 1:24:34 GMT
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8"
My bishop is Archbishop Diarmud Martin. I don't like him much. I don't think he's a good bishop. But he's the bishop, the heir of of the apostles. Just as Pope Francis is the heir of St. Peter, even though there are many things I don't like about his pontificate. There is no coherent principle of Catholic continuity other than the authority of the living, visible Magisterium.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 9:32:41 GMT
Do you even know how stupid you sound! Yes, there are probably many people reading this and thinking I sound completely unhinged.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 11:40:11 GMT
I have my disagreements with Maolsheachlann, but I would never EVER say that he didn't like the truth. Thanks, Young Ireland. I appreciate that, and the sentiment is reciprocated.
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Post by annie on Dec 11, 2017 14:02:47 GMT
Do you even know how stupid you sound! Yes, there are probably many people reading this and thinking I sound completely unhinged. Far from it Maolsheachlann :-D
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 15:46:05 GMT
Yes, there are probably many people reading this and thinking I sound completely unhinged. Woe is me. I guess if you can't defeat the truth, then try to play the role of a victim. It is unfortunate that humans in general, are prone to group think i.e. herd mentality, in a detrimental way and many crafty men are aware of this and so they play on it.I was being sarcastic. You are the one who sounds unhinged. All the bold lettering, underlining and wild claims don't exactly convey an impression of rationality.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 15:53:23 GMT
Thanks, Young Ireland. I appreciate that, and the sentiment is reciprocated. Ecclesiasticus 27:10 Birds resort unto their like: Lol!Wisdom is justified by all her children. Luke 7:35.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 16:03:08 GMT
truth3, there are a lot of loony sedevacantist fora out there, why not knock yourself out? Why harass the faithful? I'm sure you can find someone issuing papal bulls from his bedroom somewhere.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 16:34:45 GMT
Mr. Truth, I've decided you are probably a troll. I actually hope you're a troll. Either way, you've had enough attention from me.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 21:42:16 GMT
I'll post as little or as much as I choose.
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Post by Young Ireland on Dec 11, 2017 21:56:59 GMT
truth3, there are a lot of loony sedevacantist fora out there, why not knock yourself out? Why harass the faithful? I'm sure you can find someone issuing papal bulls from his bedroom somewhere. You show yourself, to be a person, not of the truth, plain and simple. It is looney of you, to reject the truth. You have been blinded by God.
John 10: [26] But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep. [27] My sheep hear my voice: and I know them, and they follow me.
The one glaring thing about you Maol, is that you have not refuted one thing that was in my thread. The only thing that you can do, is to attempt to disparage my character. This is very common when the truth cannot be refuted. This is because everything that is in the thread, we are living right now. The evidence is overwhelming and it bothers you. This is a bit rich, especially as you own posts have liberal portions of insults themselves.
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Post by Young Ireland on Dec 11, 2017 22:14:14 GMT
This is a bit rich, especially as you own posts have liberal portions of insults themselves.
What you consider an insult, in reality, it is nothing more than the truth hurting you.
Acts 10:34 And Peter opening his mouth, said: In very deed I perceive, that God is not a respecter of persons.
Couldn't the same be said about your own views? How can you be sure that your own views are correct and not merely because you think so?
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 22:55:08 GMT
Mr Missing the Truth, you are the subjectivist and the relativist here. We have asked you repeatedly to tell us upon what authority you hold yourself competent to judge Popes and bishops as heretics. You appeal to various passages from Scripture, but this is simply an appeal to your private interpretation of them. Quoting Scripture to insist that only a remnant have remained faithful to God in various moments of sacred history is no answer, since minorities have also gone into schism on innumerable occasions. There is no law that the minority are in the right. Indeed, other than (arguably) the Arian crisis, can you name a single moment in Catholic history, predating Vatican II (to avoid begging the question), when the majority was in error and the minority was proven to be correct?
Repeating "truth", "relativism", etc. etc. is childish and beside the point. Answer the question. Explain why your private judgement is any more valid than that of Martin Luther etc.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 23:01:35 GMT
Oh, and your response to Young Ireland was particularly childish. He asked you how you could prove that your own claims were NOT simply your own speculations, views, opinions, etc. To say "all you want is views, opinions, speculations, relativism", when he was demanding quite the opposite from you, is once again childish and perverse.
Really, your behaviour is no better than a child running to the top of a mud-hill and shouting: "I'm the King of the Castle". Perhaps I am more foolish for even responding to you.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Dec 11, 2017 23:31:47 GMT
Mr Missing the Truth, you are the subjectivist and the relativist here. We have asked you repeatedly to tell us upon what authority you hold yourself competent to judge Popes and bishops as heretics. You appeal to various passages from Scripture, but this is simply an appeal to your private interpretation of them. Quoting Scripture to insist that only a remnant have remained faithful to God in various moments of sacred history is no answer, since minorities have also gone into schism on innumerable occasions. There is no law that the minority are in the right. Indeed, other than (arguably) the Arian crisis, can you name a single moment in Catholic history, predating Vatican II (to avoid begging the question), when the majority was in error and the minority was proven to be correct? Repeating "truth", "relativism", etc. etc. is childish and beside the point. Answer the question. Explain why your private judgement is any more valid than that of Martin Luther etc. Lol!! You keep adding to my name, it is so funny! It shows that I am getting to you! I gave all of the dogmas, writings of the saints that are in line with the dogmas of the church regarding heretics of anyone, let alone popes and cardinals etc.
"Quoting Scripture to insist that only a remnant have remained faithful to God in various moments of sacred history is no answer," …
I am appealing to anyone who might have their mental faculties intact, and ask all of you to comprehend what this person is saying. Wow! To say that God only saved eight just souls out of the billions that perished is no answer, really!!? Can anyone see that this person has not refuted one thing in the thread. If I have misinterpreted anything in the thread, bring it forward and tell everyone what the proper understanding of it is!?
All that this person [Maol] can do is to attempt to disparage the truth by using the false argument of private interpretation, misinterpret, taken out of context etc.
By the way, Maol, who is we and us? The only ones that I have been suffering with is you and young Ireland.
It is simple, you being a vatican II adherent, you don't like that my thread completely destroys the heretical robber council of the second vatican council. You love those antichrist doctrines of men because they fit perfectly with your outrageously liberal lifestyle.
At this point, you cannot be helped because you like the mud, that you sit in. You can keep posting all that you want, the thread [the truth] stands for itself.
Just keep telling yourself that. Maybe if you keep repeating it, it will become true? Considering you are akin to Luther in your embrace of private judgement, you only have to convince yourself anyway. Perhaps you are familiar with the doctrine of the four marks of the Church, the third and fourth of which are catholicity and apostolicity. Presumably you believe there is a true Catholic Church out there right now, or else our Lord's promise to St. Peter was vain. What is this Church and how does it possess catholicity and the apostolic succession? Can some obscure and geographically limited sect truly be "catholic" in any meaningful sense? Can you deny that the Church of Vatican II, as you call it, retains the apostolic succession?
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