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Post by hibernicus on Oct 5, 2018 21:43:13 GMT
The government may see the disabled as a burden in the way you suggest but of course they won't say so - in fact they'll say the opposite and talk about their concern for the disabled, though the disability activists who protested outside the Dail yesterday pointing out that Simon Harris's Bill does not specifically exclude abortion for disability. Of course we were called liars when we raised the issue during the referendum, and now we will be brushed aside. (Mr Harris now bluntly declares in his Bill that the aim of the process is to have a dead baby.) Even worse, if Britons do start coming to Ireland for abortions, it will be used to strengthen the campaign there to decriminalise abortion altogether and to catch up with the newly enlightened Irish. Here's another appropriate biblical passage - Matthew 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBvcdaDSm1Ywww.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YtGNTfb54
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Post by romuald on Oct 20, 2018 8:57:25 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 21, 2018 19:36:44 GMT
The big problem is that the legislation - and to a considerable extent the debate - have been framed in such a way as to assume that "abortion is normal healthcare" and moral objection is simply "denial of healthcare". A precedent for this has been set by the way pharmacists are not allowed to have moral objections to dispensing contraception (Patrick McCrystal of Human Life International was excluded from practising as a pharmacist on these grounds) - and the "reproductive rights" mantra is aimed at making people think of abortion as just another form of contraception.
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 26, 2018 19:48:05 GMT
Recently I was in a GP's surgery and a hospital X-ray department. (Nothing serious,just routine checks.) In the GP's surgery I noticed a poster with a pregnant woman holding a lifebelt and declaring "I'll be the lifesaver for both of us -I'll get the flu vaccine." The X-ray department had a sign warning patients to tell the staff if they're pregnant and showing a baby with its hands pressed together, begging "Please Mum - tell them that I'm in here". The very same government that issues these notices are passing abortion legislation based on the principle that there is only one patient, rather than "us" and that there is nothing "in there" that has a right to protection. This was endorsed by a 2-1 majority in a referendum, and by 102-12 in the Dail, with seven abstentions. Our country has gone insane.
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Post by assisi on Oct 29, 2018 20:57:25 GMT
Despite a media blackout and virtually no coverage outside conservative media circles, the new movie “Gosnell” made the list of top 10 movies across the United States over the weekend. Coming in at the #10 spot, Gosnell came in ahead of other movies with much wider releases — as the film is appearing in just 673 theaters nationwide. Well worth watching Ann McElhinney (who made the film with Phelim McAleer) talk about the movie and the book. She's a bit of a character! www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDGCe0c1Rik
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 6, 2018 19:24:05 GMT
Committee hearings on the Abortion Bill include solemnly debating whether it should be amended to exclude references to women, on the grounds that saying only women can get pregnant discriminates against transsexuals. We are also seeing complaints that the legislation is too restrictive. Expect new legislation on this basis a few years down the line, with its passage moistened by further crocodile tears. Dante's INFERNO describes the inmates as "those who have lost the intellectual good". Sometimes, especially since May 25, I think Dante's Inferno has opened an Irish annexe. www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/1106/1008921-oireachtas-pregnancy-bill/
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 6, 2018 19:30:23 GMT
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Post by Young Ireland on Nov 7, 2018 21:52:07 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 7, 2018 22:03:48 GMT
The slogan "Trust Women" which was bandied about so often during the campaign, implied there should be no restrictions at all as these were an insult to women. By going for radical repeal the government has ensured that any safeguards incorporated in the new legislation will be as durable as a wet paper bag, and aswe have already seen from the committee there is a determined group of TDs committed to wholesale decriminalisation. This historic image comes to mind (the "innocent little lambs" in pinstripe trousers are Neville Chamberlain and his senior ministers, while the newspaper proprietor Lord Beaverbrook reassures a puzzled John Bull that the Munich Agreement is a splendid bargain, rather as our own dear media gave so much attention to denouncing "scaremongers" in the run up to 25 May). archive.cartoons.ac.uk/GetMultimedia.ashx?db=Catalog&type=default&fname=DL1374.jpg
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 12, 2018 23:16:51 GMT
the committee discussion on the abortion bill has been even more disgraceful than I expected. Note how the well-known fact that in countries where abortion is legal large numbers of infant corpses are disposed of with medical waste is treated as unmentionable, and the egregious Kate O'Connell TD apparently equates said corpses with soiled bedsheets. (It is possible that she is simply suggesting that bloodstains might be treated as "remains" which is scaremongering, but the impression the RTE report gives is certainly that she thinks "fetal remains" have no more moral significance than used maternity pads.) www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/1107/1009292-health-committee-abortion-bill/EXTRACT There were further heated exchanges as the committee discussed an amendment relating to the disposal of the foetal remains following surgical abortions. Mr McGrath said there is currently "no provision in the bill for treating the remains of aborted babies with respect or dignity" and "horrendous abuses" had occurred in other countries where such protections did not exist. He said their amendment was clearly referring to surgical abortions, and any proposed penalties referred to clinicians and facilities and not the women themselves. However, Fine Gael TD Kate O'Connell told the committee that the amendment would cover those who had suffered miscarriages. "If find it offensive as a woman who has been in this situation. I don't need to inform anybody what I have done with my foetal remains. I don't want to inform the minister. I don't want it in legislation and I most certainly don't people in this house prescribing what I should do with my used maternity pads, my soiled bed sheets, my bath sheets," Ms O'Connell said. END OF EXTRACT
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 15, 2018 22:16:39 GMT
Today's IRISH TIMES letters page has a missive from a number of disabled women denouncing any proposal to outlaw abortion for disability on the grounds that this is using disability as a pretext to interfere with women's hard-won "reproductive rights". Alice Glenn's turkeys voting for Christmas suddenly seem comparatively sensible.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Nov 16, 2018 10:21:57 GMT
Today's IRISH TIMES letters page has a missive from a number of disabled women denouncing any proposal to outlaw abortion for disability on the grounds that this is using disability as a pretext to interfere with women's hard-won "reproductive rights". Alice Glenn's turkeys voting for Christmas suddenly seem comparatively sensible. They are not turkeys voting for Christmas as it will not affect their own right to life. It's more a case of "I'm all right, Jack".
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 16, 2018 22:34:09 GMT
They claim to speak on behalf of the disabled as a collectivity, and if the idea that the way to deal with the disabled is by killing them before birth is normalised, it will affect the situation of those disabled who are already born.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 16, 2018 22:59:48 GMT
Two recent offerings from the IRISH TIMES which may help to explain why I call that paper MOLOCH'S HERALD: On Saturday last they carried a gushing interview with the American popular novelist Jodi Picoult who has just produced a novel exploring the abortion issue, set in an abortion clinics where various inmates are being held hostage by a gun-wielding pro-lifer. The only character who expresses the pro-life view is said gunman, while the other characters think over/discuss the various reasons which lead them to choose abortion. Do I detect a certain imbalance? Ms Picoult offers as her clinching argument "When I'm asked when the fetus becomes a person, I reply "When does the woman cease to be a person?" So personhood is defined exclusively in terms of the right to choose, with the consequences for others of your choice being irrelevant. This reminds me of 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY, where the apes and HAL the computer achieve personhood by becoming murderers, but I don't think those are the sort of exemplars Ms Picoult has in mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtbOmpTnyOc In making this point I'm not trying to minimise the burdens of pregnancy and childcare - I'm just saying killing is no remedy. Today (Friday) Roisin Ingle produced a column which is a pro-abortion rant, in which among other things she reveals that she wanted to call the family hamster "Choice" (very appropriate as hamsters have been known to devour their young), and describes one of her young daughters (who have been duly lectured on How Mummy Had An Abortion And How Wonderful it Was) telling her during a bout of referendum-related frenzy "Don't worry, Mummy - the Eighth Amendment will be repealed soon". One is reminded of Victorian tracts where duly indoctrinated children please their evangelical parents by regurgitating their Bible lessons.
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Post by hibernicus on Dec 2, 2018 20:16:21 GMT
The Pro-Life Campaign provides a list of TDs who voted in favour of attempts to restrict the abortion licence. This is something to bear in mind at the next election. It also cites Kate O'Connell, with the sensitivity for which she is renowned, describing claims that children have been known to survive abortions as "fairytales" (after the case of Melissa Ohden, who visited Ireland before the referendum, was referenced in debate - basically O'Connell is calling Ohden a liar). Not to be outdone in evil, Lisa Chambers declared that women never regret having abortions and the idea that some do is "makey-uppy" invented to promote a political agenda. Oddly enough, the PLC does not mention Simon Harris's rant (also in the Dail debate) about how "women's rights are human rights and they were denied for 35 years until the people stood up and said no more". In other words, he is saying that there is a human right to abortion (and by implication, abortion pretty much on demand). The sight of these miserable specimens of humanity echoing the debating points of the most extreme pro-abortionists in America is a reminder that many of our beloved TDs, having decided which way the cat is going to jump, rel on whatever pressure group they are now allied with to fill up the vacancy within their skulls. (Honesty compels me to add the same might be said of some of the TDs who supported the 8th Amendment in 1983). prolifecampaign.ie/main/portfolio/detail/30-11-2018-see-how-your-td-voted-on-humane-amendments-to-abortion-bill-and-read-more/Meanwhile Leo Scaradkar the Lyin' King appears to be staying out of the debate and leaving the dirty work to his hyaenas. If you don't get the reference,check the links below: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scar_(Disney)www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkU23m6yX04
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