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Post by guillaume on Mar 6, 2010 8:20:05 GMT
At last !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 5, 2010. Benedict XVI has formed a commission to investigate if Our Lady truly appeared in Medjugorje, a small town in Bosnia.
The commission is part of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Cardinal Camillo Ruini will preside over the commission. Ruini is the pope’s former vicar of Rome’s diocese. Ruini goal will be to explain to the pope what’s happening at the sanctuary which has become the third most visited in Europe.
Allegedly, at least 6 people have witnessed the Virgins apparitions there since 1981. Aside from the large crowds of pilgrims who visit the sanctuary, the Vatican has not commented on the alleged apparitions, but in 1991 the local bishops said they were not aware of any supernatural apparitions.
This investigation will put an end to any doubts and it’ll be critical for the millions of pilgrims who visit this shrine every year
BR/MC
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Post by eircomnet on Mar 6, 2010 20:40:55 GMT
It shouldn't need any commission to come to a conclusion. If you had any decent theologian versed in mystical theology as was the case in the past, they would have binned it after even a cursory read. There are so many problems with it that one wouldn't know where to start. It is thriving on the religious confusion of our time.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 8, 2010 11:57:01 GMT
I don't think dodgy apparitions are a problem of our time alone. There were quite a few in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, some of which retained a following even after being condemned. There has always been an underworld of Marian apocalypticism and private revelations. What makes Medj distinctive is that modern communications, and the relaxation after Vatican II of the old restrictions on promoting unapproved private revelations, allowed it to build up a worldwide clientele very fast. The Commission is certainly good news. At least it will end the squabbling about whether the Bishop of Mostar has/has not the authority to rule on this.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 18, 2010 13:16:58 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 18, 2010 13:22:14 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 13, 2012 21:30:06 GMT
There is an investigation but I don't think it has come up with a definite ruling and there doesn't seem to be any clear date given for its decision. One problem is that Medj has some very high-level supporters, such as Cardinal Schonborn of Vienna (who recently allowed one of the visionaries to hold a service in his cathedral which was advertised as including an apparition at a definite point in the proceedings!). The visionaries have indeed done very well for themselves. This is not quite unprecedented among approved apparitions (one of the La Salette visionaries in later life allowed his name to be used to sell apparition-themed goods including bottled water!) but it's not a good sign.
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Post by annie on Feb 14, 2012 1:18:49 GMT
Beware of rash judgements of others, it is a sin against charity and the seventh commandment. Go to Medjugorje. You will find a faithful Catholic parish and people. Pray with them. They will be open with you about what has been happening in their area since June1981. Go, if possible, with a group which has a spiritual director and follow the religious programme. I love Medjugorje. I've known of it since 1985 but didn't get to visit it first until 2003. I have been a witness to many signs of the presence of the Lord there, revealing both His Glory and His love for mankind. The people of the parish have been sharing their homes and their food with all who have come to visit since 1981 with true christian hospitality. They deal with people from every part of the world with grace and dignity. The visionaries do not profess to be saints but ordinary people like the rest of us, striving to do their best by the grace of God. They have been subjected to all sorts of attacks but have stayed true. A website which has a good "Q and A" section is at www.medjugorje.org
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Post by annie on Feb 16, 2012 1:41:33 GMT
I understand that the Vatican Commission is to report to Pope Benedict before the end of the year - link is here wp.me/p164Jd-6qj
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Post by annie on Feb 16, 2012 3:36:32 GMT
I am glad that the Pope sent his commission and look forward to his decisions in the matter. I hesitated about visiting for a long time because of frightful controversies on the internet although I was aware of the remarkable healings of two friends of mine there. I went unwillingly with an acquintance who needed a companion but soon realised that I was in an extraordinary place and among an extraordinary people. That is why I say to you 'Go and see' as John the Baptist said and you will see and find out for yourself the truth or otherwise of it. I have been told that many critics have never been there. You may however prefer to wait until after the Pope speaks. Some people have seen signs and wonders in the skies over Medjugorje and others haven't. They are considered to be helps to people until the big sign appears, as promised. I have been blessed to have been a witness to some of these signs and they have been a witness to me of the greatness and goodness of our Lord and God. I am nobody special yet He cares for me. He suffered, died and rose again for each one of us and has promised to be with us always. Peace be with you and yours.
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Post by annie on Feb 18, 2012 15:37:23 GMT
I accept that Bishop Zanic was likely to have been sincere in his views on Medjugorje as was Lucia's mother on Fatima. Lucia's father believed but her mother didnt.
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Post by annie on Apr 26, 2012 10:20:59 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 9, 2012 15:08:09 GMT
I wouldn't be 100% sure of this report, given its source. I suspect though that it does have some substance and may indicate that the commission will not formally condemn Medj but won't approve it either. (Note the remark about how unheard of it would be to approve the apparitions while they are still going on, which sounds as though Medj Daily is preparing to 'spin' a non-committal verdict as approval in all but name.) I don't see how Medj could be declared a shrine WITHOUT first formally approving the apparitions, though. Splitting the Mostar diocese to take Medj out from Bishop Peric's jurisdiction sound awfully like the sort of bright bureaucratic manoeuvre someone might come up with, but it would IMHO be tantamount to approval if they did it because it would be seen as rebuking Bishop Peric) (and Medj would certainly present it as such, and because Medj would be much more important to the new diocese than to the undivided one and the possible impact of an eventual condemnation would be all the more explosive.
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