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Post by guillaume on Feb 7, 2010 7:50:44 GMT
A short video about the 2010 Traditional Pilgrimage from Paris to Chartres : www.nd-chretiente.com/index-eng.php?file=2010/presentations/pres_theme10-eng. THE CHURCH IS OUR MOTHER The Paris-Chartres Pilgrimage is a three-day walk from Notre-Dame de Paris to Notre-Dame de Chartres, approximately 75 miles. Pilgrims are organized into groups of 20-65 people, that are referred to as "chapters". The "walk" is through the streets of Paris, and then into the countryside. It can be muddy, rocky, and demanding-and the rewards of such a penitential exercise are eternal. Good sturdy shoes are a must. Each chapter is accompanied by at least one chaplain, who hears confession and gives spiritual direction to each pilgrim who avails himself of the priest's presence. This pilgrimage originated in the 12th century, with interruptions for the various wars our European brethren seem to find themselves in from time to time. A plenary indulgence is granted, under the usual conditions. Pilgrims will meet in front of Notre Dame de Paris at 6 a.m. on May 30, and the journey of faith and foot begins To send a Mail : www.nd-chretiente.com/index-eng.php?file=pelerinage/contact-etrangers&action=ecriremail&chap=etr&ID=8
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 9, 2010 12:02:01 GMT
Is this the SSPX pilgrimage or the indult one?
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Feb 9, 2010 12:22:05 GMT
That's indult. The other one goes from Chartres to Montmartre and is known as the Pilgrimage of Tradition - I'm sure Guillaume can give us the proper French title.
Incidentally - Paris to Chartres is the traditional direction, as the pilgrims were on their way to Santiago. The modern pilgrimage is based on a personal pilgrimage made by Charles Peguy in the late 19th/early 20th century when his children were ill.
They recovered.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 10, 2010 0:41:25 GMT
Is this the SSPX pilgrimage or the indult one? That is the Indult one, as Askel said. With Society of Saint Peter, and I suppose Institute of the Good Sheperd. There is actually an Irish Chapter : Chapter Saint Patrick. www.latinmassireland.org/chartres/index.html to know more. The SSPX pilgrimage is from Chartre to Paris, in which I am likely to join this year. Unfortunatly, there is no Irish Chapter there. Also, there is a "common" Chapter : one is doing Paris Chartres, the other Chartres Paris, and at some stage during the pilgrimage they meet and pray together.... nice. Both pilgrimages are the most important of their kind in Europe and maybe in the World.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 10, 2010 0:44:22 GMT
And a guy from the States introduce it :
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 10, 2010 12:13:47 GMT
Why do the SSPX not have an Irish Chapter on the Chartres pilgrimage? Given that they have had a congregation in Dublin for almost 40 years and one in Cork for 20 (as well as others in Athlone and elsewhere), you'd think they'd have organised one by now. There must be at least a thousand SSPX adherents in Ireland, they have produced several priests and currently have two seminarians, so why can't they organise an Irish contingent as the indultarians have been doing for years? This seems odd.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 10, 2010 13:20:39 GMT
Why do the SSPX not have an Irish Chapter on the Chartres pilgrimage? Given that they have had a congregation in Dublin for almost 40 years and one in Cork for 20 (as well as others in Athlone and elsewhere), you'd think they'd have organized one by now. There must be at least a thousand SSPX adherents in Ireland, they have produced several priests and currently have two seminarians, so why can't they organize an Irish contingent as the indultarians have been doing for years? This seems odd. Very good question ! After all a chapter can gather only 15 to 20 people, and i am sure we can manage to reunite this number. 2 years ago, back from this pilgrimage, I wrote to the SSPX in Dublin. I was wondering why there were no Irish chapter there. I reckon there used to be one. The French Priest told me by email that it was because of the Irish I couldn't go further to this discussion as I live very far from any SSPX chapel. However, back from the pilgrimage, i was so enthusiast that i was ready to volunteer myself to organize this chapter. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED TO JOIN ME THIS YEAR, PLEASE PM ME
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 16, 2010 11:26:06 GMT
Rorate Caeli comments on the lukewarmness of the French bishops, and particularly Cardinal Vingt-Trois of Paris, towards the motu proprio. I attach the link to the comments below (Rorate Caeli is organised in such a way that it is difficult to link to individual entries). The two sample comments which I reproduce give some idea of the sort of passions that can be aroused once the issue of Republic/Revolution arises. Note how the second commenter assumes that Pius XI's motivation for condemning Action francaise was purely political. There is some truth in this, just as there is some truth in the view that Pius X's motives for NOT condemning AF were partly political. The central fact remains that Charles Maurras, the AF moving spirit, was a Voltairean who despised Christianity as an oriental mystery religion; he admired classical paganism but thought it was only fit for an elite, and that Catholicism should be encouraged to keep the vulgar many quiet. Alliance with that sort of person (especially when they are trying to create an authoritarian state where they will have a monopoly on power) is very dangerous. www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19978542&postID=6928745545977434456&pli=1 James said... If French traditionalists could give up Action Francaise politics and strict "Garrigou-Lagrange style" Thomism there might be less division in the French Church. For the record, opposition to Action Francaise does not mean endorsing the classical liberalism of the French Revolution. The French Revolution wanted too much freedom, Action Francaise wanted too much government control (and ending by supporting a Vichy government which, though it returned legal status to the Church violated, in practice, more principles of Catholic teaching than any French government since before the time of Napoleon). And both were essentially secularistic, only one wanted to use the Church in support of its agenda and the other wanted to destroy the Church completely. As for strict Thomism it finds no basis in Aeterni Patris (which gives strong endorsements to both Saint Augustine and Saint Bonaventure) and was repudiated by Pope Pius XII in his defense of the Suarezians and statements that the Church does not use any single doctor as its source of truth in an address the the Gregorian University. Vatican I was a Suarezian council, much as it claimed to be following Thomas. John Paul's pointing out that the Church does not insist on Thomism in Fides et Ratio reflects the reality of the entire history of the Church (one could argue against this on the basis of a small number of ambiguous quotes). And let us not forget Pius XII's strongly favoring the phenomenologist (not to mention traditionalist) Dietrich von Hildebrand. If the French traditionalists wish to gain credibility for the Tridentine Mass please, please...ditch Lefebvre style Thomist/Action Francaise Catholicism and pick up von Hildebrand style Catholicism. 15 February, 2010 23:03 John McFarland said... Woody, As Monsignor Gaume's personified Revolution explains, Revolution (of which the French Revolution is only the most dramatic manifestation) is the replacement of God by man. So Lindbeck is right in thinking the Revolution important, but simply pooling his ignorance with Weigel in sizing up its significance. For French Catholics, monarchism and Action Francaise were rallying points against the Revolution. The New Theology was the second wave (Modernism being the first) of the Revolution's invasion of the doctrine of the Church. Pope Pius XI, in his desire to make political peace with the Third Republic, condemned Action Francaise and thereby handed the French Church over to the clerical allies of the Revolution and, in tarring figures like Billot and Le Floch with the Action Francaise brush, handed French theology over to the sons of the modernists. 16 February, 2010 03:38
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