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Post by guillaume on Feb 13, 2009 13:53:06 GMT
From "The Sun".
A baby-faced boy in the UK has become father, but when asked how he would cope financially he responded, “What’s financially?”
Alfie Patton, 13, became a dad this week after his 15-year-old girlfriend, Chantelle Steadman, gave birth to little Maisie Roxanne.
The boy has told Britain’s Sun he “thought it would be good to have a baby.”
“I didn’t think about how we could afford it,” he said.
“I don’t really get pocket money. My dad sometime gives me 10 pounds.
“When my mum found out, I thought I was going to get in trouble.
“We wanted to have the baby but were worried how people would react.
Alfie, who stands only 125 cm high, had a single night of unprotected sex with Chantelle when he was just 12.
Christian groups have commended the teenagers’ decision to keep the baby.
Michaela Aston, of the anti-abortion Christian charity LIFE, told the Sun: “We commend these teenagers for their courage in bringing their child into the world.
“At the same time this is symptomatic of the over-sexualisation of our youngsters and shows the policy of value-free sex education just isn’t working.” This makes me very uncomfortable indeed ! The boy copulated when he was 12.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Feb 13, 2009 14:26:31 GMT
This makes me very uncomfortable indeed ! The boy copulated when he was 12. And as his girlfriend is only 15 now, legally he is a rapist.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 13, 2009 17:54:27 GMT
Well, maybe yes, "legally". But at 12, I do not think he thought of doing something illegal or even "bad". Certainly, he had been brought and educated in a kind of easy going, easy thinking family. So he had not barrier or/and no moral landmark. Still, it is very disturbing.
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 14, 2009 0:37:40 GMT
Theodore Dalrymple/Anthony Daniels, who has lengthy experience of working as a doctor in poor areas of Birmingham (and who is, incidentally, an atheist) has some comments on this sort of phenomenon in his essays. He says that to a considerable extent the age of consent has ceased to be observed in British society. (He mentions, for instance, that the Soham murderer Ian Huntly had relationships with several underage girls which were not merely acquiesced in but abetted by the girls' parents - which is one reason why he was never prosecuted for them, since the parents would have to admit their complicity; that when some of these girls became pregnant no attempt was made to investigate the fact that a crime had been committed etc.) There has I suspect always been a certain amount of this (check for example how early some people got married in the past, what the canonical age for marriage was up to a few decades ago etc), but it has been made worse by the disappearance of the Christian doctrine of sexual restraint in society. The reaction against past mistreatment of unmarried mothers etc has led to a situation where almost any form of judgmentalism (except in clearly violent and exploitative instances like rape and paedophilia - and in the 60s and 70s there were some sexual radicals who defended even these as a means of shedding harmful inhibitions!) is seen as intolerable.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 14, 2009 18:25:10 GMT
It appears the children were allowed to sleep together at her home. Both families seem to be firmly embedded in the underclass that Dalrymple/Daniels has anatomised so often. Now that they are teenagers, the possibility of either child finding its way out of the set of attitudes they have grown up with is probably negligible.
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Post by Noelfitz on Feb 14, 2009 21:05:20 GMT
I read: "The reaction against past mistreatment of unmarried mothers etc has led to a situation where almost any form of judgmentalism (except in clearly violent and exploitative instances like rape and paedophilia - and in the 60s and 70s there were some sexual radicals who defended even these as a means of shedding harmful inhibitions!) is seen as intolerable.
I disagree.
Smoking is intolerable, so is being homophobic, whatever that means.
Saying "golliwog" is also intolerable, as is saying n****r, unless one is black.
Of course no one would ever claim the Catholic church is the one true Church.
Liberals are most intolerable and now in some circles being PC is mandatory.
Some time ago lecturers would talk to students in their offices with doors closed, not so today.
Some time ago in UCD some right wing Catholic red-necked extreme fundamentalist lecturers objected to semi-pornographic notices being displayed. These lecturers were condemned.
More recently some liberal right-on feminists objected to similar posters being dispalyed. The posters were immediately removed.
Nowadays to avoid scandal, we do not have young altar servers in Ireland. I am now on holiday in Jersey. The altar servers here seem to be at leastm 65.
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Post by Hemingway on Feb 16, 2009 10:27:21 GMT
I hear now that two other young teenage boys have come forward and claim that THEY are the father of this child.
They both want blood tests carried out to determine the biological father of the baby.
What a mess.
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Post by Hemingway on Feb 16, 2009 12:47:35 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on May 8, 2009 13:34:47 GMT
Yesteerday the IRISH TIMES had an article which featured two students from a Limerick school who were making proposals to improve relationships and Sexuality Education. they claimed (on what basis is not clear, whether official statistics or their own survey) that 8.35 of 10-year-olds were sexually active! Link below. www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0507/1224246058863.html
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