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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Feb 19, 2020 8:22:38 GMT
I don't know if you are aware of the historical tweets by the newly elected Sinn Féin deputy for Kildare North, but I suspect they will join some of the late Oliver J Flanagan's comments on display in the Irish Jewish Museum in the antisemitism in Ireland section soon
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 19, 2020 22:49:44 GMT
What really amazed me is how familiar some of the stuff she came out with was to anyone who has studied C20 anti-semitism. Like anti-vaxxers and antiblack racists they keep on regurgitating the same arguments/claims without paying any attention to the world outside their festering skulls. (I read Charles Kingsley's THE WATER BABIES last year, and along with the no-popery jibes I was amazed to find arguments about the supposed inferiority of Africans that are still being replicated by so-called racial realists in the murkier corners of the net.) The only one missing from Deputy Cronin's tweets was the claim that the British royal family are nine-foot-high space lizards, but perhaps she is saving that for a suitable occasion. When a party has a landslide it is often embarrassed by some of its new representatives, who weren't properly vetted because they weren't expected to win and are subsequently revealed to be nuts. I expected SF to have this problem, but I'm amazed it surfaced so quickly. gript.ie/reada_cronin_controversy/
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Post by maolsheachlann on Feb 20, 2020 10:22:56 GMT
Like anti-vaxxers and antiblack racists they keep on regurgitating the same arguments/claims without paying any attention to the world outside their festering skulls. That argument could be made of pretty much any faction, I find. As for anti-vaxxers, it's not a subject in which I've taken a whole lot of interest. But I've heard enough anecdotal evidence, from people I trust, of significant changes (for the worse) in either their children or themselves as a result of receiving multiple simultaneous vaccinations in early childhood, to believe there is some reason to be cautious.
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 20, 2020 18:49:38 GMT
I agree that there is a general tendency to regurgitate claims without thinking about them. For example, a lot of traditionalist or conservative Catholics appeal unproblematically to earlier C19/C20 Catholic writers and intellectuals without addressing the following questions: (1) If all was so wonderful then, why did things go so badly wrong? (2) Could it be that these past successes might actually have contributed to later disasters (for example, apologists who so clearly rebutted Protestant demonisation of religious life that they overlooked the possibility that religious life might actually be susceptible to some of the evils identified by the Protestants unless these evils are strictly guarded against - with idealisation making it more likely that such precautions would be neglected)?
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 25, 2020 19:20:01 GMT
The story of how Sister Denise Burgon saved the lives of 83 Jewish girls during the Occupation of France by hiding them in her convent school, and the role of Archbishop Jules-Geraud Saliege of Toulouse in inspiring Sr Burgon's action, should not lead us to forget that there was a nasty tradition of Catholic anti-semitism in France and elsewhere, but it should remind us that the dark side is not the whole story and that there are always those who bear witness to Jesus. And we should not forget that at the centre of the story is the racial persecution experienced by Jews such as Helene Ullrich, so many of whom did not survive. NEVER FORGET. www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-53512639/ww2-the-nun-who-saved-my-life
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Post by hibernicus on Aug 25, 2020 21:07:46 GMT
I don't link to E. Michael Jones's site on principle, because his mind is so distorted that it would take a commentary ten times the length of his original statements to sort out his fantasies, logical blunders, paranoia and misunderstandings (all in good faith - that's the tragedy, and he is a tragic figure). Recently, however, on one of my extremely rare visits to his site, I came across something that sums up the fallaciousness of his approach. Dr Jones was denouncing a number of American Catholic converts of Jewish descent with whose views he disagrees, and in the course of his diatribe he declared that it was quite easy to distinguish between genuine Jewish converts to Catholicism and pseudo-converts who are really Jewish infiltrators, using a method devised by his heroes, the inquisitors of early modern Spain. This method holds that genuine converts will blend into the Catholic community as a whole, whereas fake converts will continue to associate with others of Jewish background like their own. Here are a couple of problems with this argument: (1) It takes for granted that Catholics of Jewish descent do not, or cannot have, a specific importance which they may recognise and try to work on together (for an example, see St Edith Stein's reflections on her own continuing identity as a Jew). (2) It never occurs to Dr Jones that converts might stick together because they have shared experiences (of background and conversion) which only others who have been through the same experiences can understand. Acting on Dr Jones's "logic" we might conclude, for example, that because St John Henry Newman and Fr FW Faber lived in Oratorian communities mostly composed of Anglican converts, it follows that they were infiltrators sent by the Learned Elders of Canterbury to contaminate Catholic truth with Anglicanism. I offer this consideration to anyone who is on the verge of being led into the same marshes of anti-semitic delusion which Dr Jones entered in good faith and wherein he so tragically wanders.
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Post by annie on Aug 27, 2020 20:48:48 GMT
I don't link to E. Michael Jones's site on principle, because his mind is so distorted that it would take a commentary ten times the length of his original statements to sort out his fantasies, logical blunders, paranoia and misunderstandings (all in good faith - that's the tragedy, and he is a tragic figure). Recently, however, on one of my extremely rare visits to his site, I came across something that sums up the fallaciousness of his approach. Dr Jones was denouncing a number of American Catholic converts of Jewish descent with whose views he disagrees, and in the course of his diatribe he declared that it was quite easy to distinguish between genuine Jewish converts to Catholicism and pseudo-converts who are really Jewish infiltrators, using a method devised by his heroes, the inquisitors of early modern Spain. This method holds that genuine converts will blend into the Catholic community as a whole, whereas fake converts will continue to associate with others of Jewish background like their own. Here are a couple of problems with this argument: (1) It takes for granted that Catholics of Jewish descent do not, or cannot have, a specific importance which they may recognise and try to work on together (for an example, see St Edith Stein's reflections on her own continuing identity as a Jew). (2) It never occurs to Dr Jones that converts might stick together because they have shared experiences (of background and conversion) which only others who have been through the same experiences can understand. Acting on Dr Jones's "logic" we might conclude, for example, that because St John Henry Newman and Fr FW Faber lived in Oratorian communities mostly composed of Anglican converts, it follows that they were infiltrators sent by the Learned Elders of Canterbury to contaminate Catholic truth with Anglicanism. I offer this consideration to anyone who is on the verge of being led into the same marshes of anti-semitic delusion which Dr Jones entered in good faith and wherein he so tragically wanders. The great saint, Teresa of Avila, was also of jewish heritage. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_%C3%81vila
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 10, 2020 20:09:45 GMT
And the E Michael Joneses of her day suspected St Teresa (and St John of the Cross) of being secret judaizers. Looking at Dr Jones's website again to see if it's as bad as I remembered it (it is) I find him proclaiming that "the Jews" run the pornography industry in the US. Even if it were true that Jews were disproportionately involved (I don't know if this is the case) Jones's spin on it is like saying that "the Catholics" or "the Italians" run the mafia - the whole group is treated as collectively guilty for the misdeeds of some members.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 21, 2020 0:11:35 GMT
Promoting Fr Denis Fahey as a model of Catholic intellectual activity, as the author of this piece in the BURKEAN is doing, is both wrong in itself and self-destructive. Quoting E Michael Jones only makes it worse. Fr Fahey's "Jew in the bushes" conspiracy rants have done immense harm already. No more, please. Link for information only: www.theburkean.ie/articles/2020/09/30/fr-denis-fahey-catholic-irelands-forgotten-integralist PS- Note the commentator in the combox who declares that Race must come first and God second, and that we ought not to adhere to Catholicism if the Pope was a black man. This incitement to idolatry and paganism is straight out of the ravings of the late Alfred Rosenberg: where Faheyism is promoted Nazism can be expected to follow: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 8, 2022 22:02:01 GMT
If there was any remaining doubt that Archbishop Vigano had jumped the shark, this removes it. He is very strongly implying that by "globalists" he means Jews - cf his nasty reference to 'billionaires in kippahs' [the skullcap worn by Jews]. There is a line between criticising the publicly-recorded ideas and behaviour of people who happen to be Jews [such as George Soros, who I suspect never wore a kippah in his life] and denouncing them because they are Jews, which IMHO is what the Archbishop is doing. I wonder what the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic splinter group which purported some time ago to elect Vigano as Pope think of this screed. www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-globalists-have-fomented-war-in-ukraine-to-establish-the-tyranny-of-the-new-world-order/
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Mar 9, 2022 12:46:11 GMT
If there was any remaining doubt that Archbishop Vigano had jumped the shark, this removes it. He is very strongly implying that by "globalists" he means Jews - cf his nasty reference to 'billionaires in kippahs' [the skullcap worn by Jews]. There is a line between criticising the publicly-recorded ideas and behaviour of people who happen to be Jews [such as George Soros, who I suspect never wore a kippah in his life] and denouncing them because they are Jews, which IMHO is what the Archbishop is doing. I wonder what the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic splinter group which purported some time ago to elect Vigano as Pope think of this screed. www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-globalists-have-fomented-war-in-ukraine-to-establish-the-tyranny-of-the-new-world-order/I suspect Mgr Vigano is putting his name to these pieces rather than writing them himself.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 9, 2022 22:59:18 GMT
That still makes Vigano responsible for it. He has been producing conspiracist material for some time but I didn't expect him to come out with overt anti-semitism. Quite a few trads have distanced themselves from him, pointing out that he is endorsing a form of Russian nationalism which has a long history of persecuting Catholics (among others) with particularly cruel treatment of Eastern-rite Catholics. I believe his anti-Jew rants also deserve dishonourable mention and repudiation. To judge from this piece from Rorate Caeli, some of his rivals in the tinfoil hat brigade are now spinning conspiracy theories about him, but his own statements are enough to put him beyond the pale, whatever his motives: rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/03/carlo-maria-vigano-is-not-traditionalist.html
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Post by maolsheachlann on Mar 9, 2022 23:56:50 GMT
He jumped the shark in my eyes as soon as he rejected Vatican II.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 12, 2022 22:41:45 GMT
Me too - saying that it should be declared invalid is insane. Anti-semitism is a whole new level of evil, IMHO. Future posts about Vigano which do not concern antisemitism should go under "Pope Francis".
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 29, 2023 16:18:04 GMT
I have just acquired a copy of Issue 14 [no date] of Gemma O'Doherty's rag THE IRISH LIGHT. In general I have merely glanced at previous issues as they struck me as being full of paranoid fever swamps into which I don't care to venture. Issue 14, however, is positively evil. On p.17 we find Gemma holding forth about "TAlmudic gaslighting" and attributing mass immigration to "the Jewish Kalergi Plan for world domination" (Count Coudenhove-Kalergi was a mid-C20 advocate of a single European state. He was part-Jewish; he was also part-Japanese, so will we next be told that he was acting on behalf of the Learned Elders of Nippon?) She quotes E Michael Jones to the effect that Jews are behind most revolutionary movements because of their rejection of Jesus, and bashes immigrants for having their own shops and eating foods from their countries of origin. It gets worse; pages 26 and 27 are devoted to an exposition of the PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION, the notorious forgery which claims to outline a plan for Jewish world domination. This stuff helped to bring about pogroms in Russia and the Middle East, as well as the Nazi genocide. Gemma O'Doherty has just joined Justin Barrett on my list of people for whom I wouldn't even cast a protest vote, as a matter of principle. Nothing but harm can come from this.
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