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Post by royalosiodhachain on Jun 16, 2008 23:23:56 GMT
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Post by guillaume on Jun 17, 2008 8:23:46 GMT
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 18, 2008 10:11:11 GMT
Well, the Riverdance girls are no Pixie Chicks.
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Post by tisherself on Jun 19, 2008 1:16:30 GMT
I'm confused about "Pixie Chicks" - is this an Irish slang term? Rock band? Mental image as follows
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jun 19, 2008 9:09:48 GMT
I'm confused about "Pixie Chicks" - is this an Irish slang term? Rock band? Mental image as follows 'Tisherself, the first thing you need to know about before I answer that question is a publication called 'The Brandsma Review'. As its website is currently down, I'll refer you to its entry in Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brandsma_Review. The Brandsma Review is a conservative Catholic bimonthly magazine in Ireland. While not totally traditionalist, its editor (Nick Lowry) and many of its contributors are members of the Latin Mass Society of Ireland ( www.latinmassireland.org). The BR did much to popularise the term 'Pixie' and 'Pixie Chick' among Irish trads and it has some international currency - Royal knew what Askel was talking about when he said the Riverdance girls weren't Pixie Chicks. Ok. A Pixie is a Cornish fairy, the Cornish equivalent of a leprachaun. Cornwall, though in the south west of England (I beg your pardon if you are a Cornish nationalist - some people in Cornwall do not consider themselves English), is Celtic with a lot of similarity to Wales and Brittany and more distantly to Ireland, Scotland, the Isle of Man and Gallicia. But a pixie is the Cornish functional equivalent of an Irish leprachaun. That is the origin of the term. The application of the term in the BR/LMSI context is quite different. It is based on the acronym for the Society of St Pius X: SSPX. A leading figure in the LMS of England & Wales who regularly was liaising with the original LMSI secretary, Nick Lowry, (editor of the BR) was heard to refer to SSPX supporters as Pixies (there had been a showdown between 'pixies' and moderates at an LMS E & W general meeting c.2002). The BR editor quite liked the term and it began appearing frequently in BR columns and more frequently in conversations among LMSI members, which spilled over to general Irish traditionalists. So pixie was a common term for 'SSPX adherent'. In early 2003, the LMSI launched its campaign to get the Mass in Cork City and there was a well attended traditional Mass in Ss Peter's and Paul's. There were a number of SSPX adherents at Mass. The LMSI general meeting followed later in Jury's Inn and the LMSI Board had its dinner later, following a session or two in the hotel bar. The appearance of a number of female SSPX adherents was referred to, as some of these ladies appeared more like they were on their way to a mosque than a church (we know of a case in Macroom where a parishioner asked a priest who had said a traditional Mass who the two Moslem ladies in church were). At the time, the American girls' band, the Dixie Chicks were protesting against President Bush'es policy on war in Iraq and did so by appearing naked in Rolling Stone (not accomplishing anything in the process). The contrast was not lost on the LMSI officers, one of whom suggested the excessively modest young women at the Mass might be called the 'Pixie Chicks'. And before anyone knew it, references to Pixie Chicks began appearing in the BR, and any Irish trad knew what they meant, even after the Dixie Chick protest was forgotten. There is another Irish saying (particularly rural). When someone is disconnected from reality or living in a world of their own, they are 'away with the fairies'. I should emphasise that though 'fairy' is a term once specifically used in England to refer to a homosexual man, it has no such conotation in this context. If someone becomes disconnected from real life due to piousity along SSPX lines, he is 'away with the pixies'. So there you have it. You may counter that there is something cruel in this mode of discourse, but it is employed to emphasise just how serious schism is. The term 'pixie chick' is not to laugh at modesty - it is something that any traditionalist values. But the manner in which the SSPX stress modesty in dress borders on Jansenism and doesn't take the fact modesty is to some degree defined by culture into account. It is also a worrying signal that the SSPX emphasis is very much on externals. In addition, I worry about the convergence between the SSPX attitude and the Islamist attitude. It seems to go beyond the idea of female dress to the position of women. Their parallel attitudes to the Jews are also worrying... Anyway, the terms 'pixie' and 'pixie chick' and the phrase 'away with the pixies' are not intended as an insult or abuse, but as a wake up call to people who may be cutting themselves off from the Church through excessive zeal.
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Post by mcallister on Jun 19, 2008 10:20:44 GMT
Oh for goodness sake, now a thread on Riverdance has turned into a discussion about the SSPX. What is it with this board?
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 19, 2008 12:18:49 GMT
Mea culpa - I compared the sexy Riverdance girls to pixie chicks, but Alaisdir's post was a bit of a revelation to me. Now which of the LMSI heads was responsible for 'pixie chick'? I am really curious.
BTW, has Royal ever heard the story of Connie Booth? She was a 19th Century chorus girl. A Scottish noble man became infatuated with her - normally a matter of small importance. Except the girl was a faithful Catholic - she refused to be his mistress, insisted on marrying. He became a Catholic himself and his heirs are Catholic until this day. Now, I am not sure if this was the Marquess of Lothian or another...but it also provided the Scottish Church with a power ally. So some chorus girls are faithful.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jun 19, 2008 20:20:24 GMT
Oh for goodness sake, now a thread on Riverdance has turned into a discussion about the SSPX. What is it with this board? This board has an editorial policy that is as relaxed as possible (not always easy). Would you like an SSPX thread? I would be delighted to have SSPX people posting here. Please PM me if you wish.
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Post by tisherself on Jun 20, 2008 1:40:42 GMT
Nice to know I was close to the mark with the little faery- like creature in the pic I posted. Wow, thank you very much for the quite detailed etymology lesson. I had no idea. I find the origin of colloquialisms and slang and the evolution of language fascinating and enjoyed this lesson very much. Makes perfect sense. So there you have it. You may counter that there is something cruel in this mode of discourse, but it is employed to emphasise just how serious schism is. Not cruel at all, indeed there's a sense of humor about it that is quite Catholic in my view. in Macroom where a parishioner asked a priest who had said a traditional Mass who the two Moslem ladies in church were). At the FSSP Chapel I visit frequently, most ladies favor lace mantillas or smaller chapel scarves made of white or black lace. Maybe those Macroom ladies were Melkites, as I am. We like to do Lebanese-Catholic-style head coverings sometimes, also known as Audrey Hepburn style. Has nothing to do with ethnicity necessarily, unless one is an Arabic Catholic its just a Eastern-influenced style. If the scarf is long the tails get wrapped about the back of the neck. example: As far as Cornish folks being Celtic, I had heard that before. No offense taken! I am an American mongrel with both sides of my family (a hodgepodge of German, Irish, Scot, Welsh, a stray Spaniard and God kows what else) being here since well before the American Revolution, including a few Native Americans. The Celtic blood and the Native blood are the strongest in me. If there was no Catholicism in the world, I would- all hypothetical mind you - I'd follow the Native American faith; Lakota or Nez Perce or Navajo. It's interesting that the first time I stepped on Irish soil was like the first time I stepped on Nez Perce lands ~ my DNA said firmly "You are HOME." Interesting.
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Post by guillaume on Jun 21, 2008 6:04:36 GMT
I'm confused about "Pixie Chicks" - is this an Irish slang term? Rock band? Mental image as follows 'Tisherself, the first thing you need to know about before I answer that question is a publication called 'The Brandsma Review'. As its website is currently down, I'll refer you to its entry in Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brandsma_Review. The Brandsma Review is a conservative Catholic bimonthly magazine in Ireland. While not totally traditionalist, its editor (Nick Lowry) and many of its contributors are members of the Latin Mass Society of Ireland ( www.latinmassireland.org). The BR did much to popularise the term 'Pixie' and 'Pixie Chick' among Irish trads and it has some international currency - Royal knew what Askel was talking about when he said the Riverdance girls weren't Pixie Chicks. Ok. A Pixie is a Cornish fairy, the Cornish equivalent of a leprachaun. Cornwall, though in the south west of England (I beg your pardon if you are a Cornish nationalist - some people in Cornwall do not consider themselves English), is Celtic with a lot of similarity to Wales and Brittany and more distantly to Ireland, Scotland, the Isle of Man and Gallicia. But a pixie is the Cornish functional equivalent of an Irish leprachaun. That is the origin of the term. The application of the term in the BR/LMSI context is quite different. It is based on the acronym for the Society of St Pius X: SSPX. A leading figure in the LMS of England & Wales who regularly was liaising with the original LMSI secretary, Nick Lowry, (editor of the BR) was heard to refer to SSPX supporters as Pixies (there had been a showdown between 'pixies' and moderates at an LMS E & W general meeting c.2002). The BR editor quite liked the term and it began appearing frequently in BR columns and more frequently in conversations among LMSI members, which spilled over to general Irish traditionalists. So pixie was a common term for 'SSPX adherent'. In early 2003, the LMSI launched its campaign to get the Mass in Cork City and there was a well attended traditional Mass in Ss Peter's and Paul's. There were a number of SSPX adherents at Mass. The LMSI general meeting followed later in Jury's Inn and the LMSI Board had its dinner later, following a session or two in the hotel bar. The appearance of a number of female SSPX adherents was referred to, as some of these ladies appeared more like they were on their way to a mosque than a church (we know of a case in Macroom where a parishioner asked a priest who had said a traditional Mass who the two Moslem ladies in church were). At the time, the American girls' band, the Dixie Chicks were protesting against President Bush'es policy on war in Iraq and did so by appearing naked in Rolling Stone (not accomplishing anything in the process). The contrast was not lost on the LMSI officers, one of whom suggested the excessively modest young women at the Mass might be called the 'Pixie Chicks'. And before anyone knew it, references to Pixie Chicks began appearing in the BR, and any Irish trad knew what they meant, even after the Dixie Chick protest was forgotten. There is another Irish saying (particularly rural). When someone is disconnected from reality or living in a world of their own, they are 'away with the fairies'. I should emphasise that though 'fairy' is a term once specifically used in England to refer to a homosexual man, it has no such conotation in this context. If someone becomes disconnected from real life due to piousity along SSPX lines, he is 'away with the pixies'. So there you have it. You may counter that there is something cruel in this mode of discourse, but it is employed to emphasise just how serious schism is. The term 'pixie chick' is not to laugh at modesty - it is something that any traditionalist values. But the manner in which the SSPX stress modesty in dress borders on Jansenism and doesn't take the fact modesty is to some degree defined by culture into account. It is also a worrying signal that the SSPX emphasis is very much on externals. In addition, I worry about the convergence between the SSPX attitude and the Islamist attitude. It seems to go beyond the idea of female dress to the position of women. Their parallel attitudes to the Jews are also worrying... Anyway, the terms 'pixie' and 'pixie chick' and the phrase 'away with the pixies' are not intended as an insult or abuse, but as a wake up call to people who may be cutting themselves off from the Church through excessive zeal. Never heard of the term "pixie" or "be away with the pixies" but I did heard about "being away with the fairies", a phrase I pronounce often. But once again Alistair it is a Brilliant answer. I don't know from where you got all those detailed references and knowledges. Maybe you are a journalist ? Or a spy ? Is there any such thing as the Irish equivalent of CIA, Mossad, KGB, RG
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jun 23, 2008 13:53:19 GMT
Never heard of the term "pixie" or "be away with the pixies" but I did heard about "being away with the fairies", a phrase I pronounce often. But once again Alistair it is a Brilliant answer. I don't know from where you got all those detailed references and knowledges. Maybe you are a journalist ? Or a spy ? Is there any such thing as the Irish equivalent of CIA, Mossad, KGB, RG It is reasonable to assume I don't have all this information myself - it is the fruit of interviews with many sources (not just this - one person could not possibly collate the diocesan information I posted on the 'diocese by diocese' page alone - I have collaborators). I do a little amateur investigative journalism from time to time... I have many sources. The most important are, obviously LMSI. But I have a good many non-LMSI sources too. These include people from other traditional movements in Ireland and abroad and from a number of SSPX supporting sources. I will admit to taking devil's advocate positions from time to time - but I am a traditionalist who wishes to see the traditional Latin Mass at the heart of the Church. That is all. Even if I intervene on other discussions. There is a secret service in Ireland - there is a budget for it every year in the Book of Estimates. But no one apart from the Phoenix Magazine knows anything about it. Probably not at the same level as KGB/CIA. I won't mention Mossad as I think a lot of people out there do suspect I am a Mossad agent. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 24, 2008 14:03:30 GMT
Sometimes I think there are a lot of spooks and spies on this list.
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Post by monkeyman on Aug 19, 2008 0:51:32 GMT
Never heard of the term "pixie" or "be away with the pixies" but I did heard about "being away with the fairies", a phrase I pronounce often. But once again Alistair it is a Brilliant answer. I don't know from where you got all those detailed references and knowledges. Maybe you are a journalist ? Or a spy ? Is there any such thing as the Irish equivalent of CIA, Mossad, KGB, RG It is reasonable to assume I don't have all this information myself - it is the fruit of interviews with many sources (not just this - one person could not possibly collate the diocesan information I posted on the 'diocese by diocese' page alone - I have collaborators). I do a little amateur investigative journalism from time to time... I have many sources. The most important are, obviously LMSI. But I have a good many non-LMSI sources too. These include people from other traditional movements in Ireland and abroad and from a number of SSPX supporting sources. I will admit to taking devil's advocate positions from time to time - but I am a traditionalist who wishes to see the traditional Latin Mass at the heart of the Church. That is all. Even if I intervene on other discussions. There is a secret service in Ireland - there is a budget for it every year in the Book of Estimates. But no one apart from the Phoenix Magazine knows anything about it. Probably not at the same level as KGB/CIA. I won't mention Mossad as I think a lot of people out there do suspect I am a Mossad agent. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "Fascinating"...as Mr Spock would say
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