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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Oct 25, 2022 16:21:29 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 12, 2022 13:24:59 GMT
There's a certain irony about New Zealand having become so secular; some of the early settlements were deliberate attempts to create societies dominated by a particular denomination. (Presbyterian in Dunedin, Anglican in Christchurch.)
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Nov 15, 2022 15:26:54 GMT
I know Greece is not a Catholic country, but I think the lessons here are pertinent: thegroundtruthproject.org/state-of-the-church/?fbclid=IwAR2fs5lnK4C2oM-ZTgt8LHtXRkCeQNS4zvvlYfK1DtnDKJQEv8WsEY-2_hkIt's a very pertinent comparison; note the role of Ottoman rule in solidifying the connection of Orthodoxy and Greekness. It is also worth pointing out that for much of the history of post-independence Greece the Church has been heavily influenced by the State. (The Constantinople Patriarchate was equivocal about the Greek Revolt - though the Turks hung the Patriarch all the same - and post-independence Greece took care to insulate the Greek Church from Patriarchal control). Anyone who has read Varoufakis' account of his experiences in the Tsipras/Syriza government will know how self-consciously secular it was (though they had a nationalist coalition partner which emphasised Orthodoxy. There is also a very nasty neo-pagan element on the far right.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Nov 15, 2022 15:56:54 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 17, 2022 1:11:13 GMT
One way round this might be for the Church to withdraw from the Concordats - but I suspect this would also mean giving up the Church Tax, which is a "modernisation" too far for the Synodists.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 17, 2022 1:23:19 GMT
There's a very simple reason for the absence of priests between the ages of 45 and 65 in Cardiff, noted by the Archbishop in the interview. That reason was John Ward, Archbishop of Cardiff 1983-2001; see his Wikipedia entry for his blunders (which is putting it charitably).
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Nov 18, 2022 19:42:10 GMT
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Nov 23, 2022 9:55:53 GMT
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Nov 28, 2022 10:41:49 GMT
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Nov 30, 2022 14:19:09 GMT
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Jan 20, 2023 17:54:14 GMT
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Jan 20, 2023 17:59:42 GMT
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jan 24, 2023 18:05:08 GMT
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Feb 2, 2023 8:31:22 GMT
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Feb 15, 2023 16:13:08 GMT
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