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Post by lean on Jun 19, 2014 1:45:16 GMT
For those of you who may follow or have read up on the messages of Garbandal - the news has been published of the death of Joey Lomangino who died on the 18th of June. This was the man who lost his sight at a young age and met with Padre Pio and it seems was promised the return of his sight.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jun 26, 2014 7:48:19 GMT
Most Garabandal literature said that Joey Lomangino would have his sight restored and would witness the great miracle. This cannot happen now. No doubt Eircomnet will have some observation on the matter, but I was given to believe the miracle would take place in the pontificate of the third pope after the death of John XXIII (i.e. John Paul II) and in the presence of Joey Lomangino.
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Post by eircomnet on Jun 28, 2014 18:40:24 GMT
The 3rd Pope prophecy was much misinterpreted even by Garabandal promoters, all the vision claimed was that after John Paul 11 it would be the "end of the times". This prophecy and its possible meaning was discussed many, many years ago by Fr Francois Turner & is available on the internet. It was never stated that he would be the pope of the Miracle. Now the death of Joey is definitely a problem that cannot easily be resolved. The only observations I can make are the following: (a) even a cursory study of the events will rule out the fraudulent theory, (b) the purely preternatural (devil) explanation is hard to make sense of as there seems to be no evidence of anything favourable to a diabolical advantage & obedience to Church directives were implemented by the vision.The girls' parish priest undertook a careful study of everything & even asked for a personal sign that would involve the girls knocking him up at 3 am giving him a crucifix to kiss which came to pass. The prophecy of a bishop coming along, receiving a sign & lifting the ban on visitor priests celebrating Mass at Garabandal was fulfilled in the person of Bishop del Val Gallo. A prophecy much wondered about for many years was that one day shortly before the Miracle an event would take place that would cause many people to lose faith in the visions. Joey's death would certainly fit the bill in that regard. I have also always held that if the Garabandal prophecies were true they were of such magnitude that they would have to be corroborated in the statements of some saints & mystics in the Church. This I found to be the case. A good book on this subject (hard to get) is Catholic Prophecy & the Coming Chastisement by Yves Dupont. That is all I can say at this time and am well aware that it remains a problem.For myself personally because I find so many aspects that are very hard to explain if the Apparitions were false,I will hold onto belief until the predicted date of the Great Miracle (Known in Rome)finally proves or disproves the events.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jul 17, 2014 12:21:30 GMT
Well it is correct that the Warning, Miracle and Chastisement will prove or disprove Garabandal and at this point the only one promised to be there is Conchita Gonzalez. However, I am shy of the sort of stuff in the Dupont book (I've read it)as it tends to breed both presumption and despair. If you're convinced you're one of the last generation, you won't necessarily do God's will for you, especially if called to marriage and family life. Who would want to have children if the world is going to end in the next couple of years? In recent months, a pious lady told me that the king (of France) was waiting for restoration. I thought this owed more to reading prophecies of the Great Monarch in the likes of Dupont than acute political analysis. I remember one of the most scary experiences I had was translating an old Irish poem not generally known which forecast the advent of Antichrist, but it was consistent with the patristic view of the same. A lot of this is found in these revelations. In regard to presumption, you'll always get those who assume they're part of the elect. Some of these help cause some of the problems we see around us.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 18, 2014 20:27:12 GMT
I would be very doubtful about the Great Monarch myself. My understanding is that the idea of such an eschatological role for the French king was put about by the propagandists of Philip the Fair during his conflict with Pope Boniface VIII at the end of the thirteenth century, both to justify him against the Pope and as a rival to the older view that the Emperor (and by that stage the title was fairly firmly attached to the German ruler, not the French) was to the temporal realm what the Pope was to the spiritual. There is an equivalent strand of eschatological belief in a Just Emperor who will reform and rule the world in conjunction with an Angel Pope just before the coming of Antichrist. (The German concept "Reich" has a certain eschatological tinge to it, which is one of the things to be borne in mind in understanding why the concept of a "Third REich" appealed to many mid-C20 Germans.) I believe St John Bosco thought at one stage that Pius IX (who identified his troubles very strongly with Christ's Passion) was the Angel Pope, and Emperor Franz Joseph was the Just Emperor, and moreover that they were the Two Witnesses of the Apocalypse. More recently, the monstrous Palmarian antipope Clemente Dominguez claimed as his megalomania intensified that he himself was both the Angel Pope and the Just Emperor.
As regards such speculation, there is an interesting and amusing novel called THE LONG SHIPS by a Scandinavian (I think a Dane) called Frans BEngtsson about some Viking warriors in Denmark at the end of the tenth century, and their voyages around the Viking world, in the course of which they are converted to Christianity. (The religious attitude is implicitly sceptical, but the Christian missionaries are portrayed with respect.) One of their incentives for conversion is belief that the Second Coming will take place in 1000. Towards the end of the novel, when the characters have made their fortunes and are settled down on their farms, the year 1000 duly arrives and as sowing season draws near they start debating whether there is any point in planting their crops, since the Second Coming may take place before the harvest. The question is solved because since they are aware that the use of marriage does not occur in heaven, they have been making the most of the present and all their wives are now pregnant, whereupon they realise that since there are no births in heaven the Second Coming will not take place for at least the next nine months so they should sow their crops as normal. Their chaplain is puzzled at this development, but concludes (quite sincerely, he is not treated as a figure of fun) that the ways of God are inscrutable, and his flock simply adjust their expectations.
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Post by eircomnet on Jul 24, 2014 0:42:48 GMT
Hi All, just to point out that I am not standing over everything in the afore- mentioned book- by no means, nor do I think that the end of the world is at hand, but there is one theme that seems to keep cropping up & that is that the Church and the world will undergo a great trial & that by means of some miraculous intervention all will be saved when things are at their worst. Fatima itself speaks of the triumph of the Immaculate heart of Mary plus a period of world peace to follow. Some prophecies of recent popes speak of a great trial & also a great wonder. There are more but it's late tonight & I'll leave it at that.
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Post by hadasa on Apr 5, 2018 1:15:58 GMT
There is no blow to the hope of the faithful with the death of Joseph Lomangino. And the Apparition is true.
PROVERBS1:5-7
The Beginning of Knowledge
…5A wise man will hear and increase in learning, And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel, 6To understand a proverb and a figure, The words of the wise and their riddles. 7The fear of the LORD is the begin- ning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.…
Many believed that Joey would receive new eyes. This was a riddle and it is time for the faithful to know the meaning.
1 Corinthians 2:6-16
Wisdom from the Spirit
6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—
10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
MEANING OF WHAT WAS SAID TO JOSEPH LOMANGINO.
Joseph means: "He will add"
Lo means: “The” in Italian
Mangino has no meaning as it is- it derives from the name: Mancino.
Mancino means: "Left handed person".
Joey's name and what was said of him is actually a hidden message, a mystery and riddle of God. It is to be re- vealed now for, the time is at hand.
The message in this riddle is: "New eyes will be given to the left handed person."
Who is the left handed person? Scripture reveals: MATTHEW 25:40-42 (The Sheep and the Goats)
…40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’ 41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink,…
The left handed person is he who is at the left hand of God. They are the accursed ones. They give nothing, they contribute nothing and their works come to naught!
There is no blow to the hope of the faithful with the death of Joseph Lomangino. And the Apparition is true.
PROVERBS1:5-7
The Beginning of Knowledge
…5A wise man will hear and increase in learning, And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel, 6To understand a proverb and a figure, The words of the wise and their riddles. 7The fear of the LORD is the begin- ning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.…
Many believed that Joey would receive new eyes. This was a riddle and it is time for the faithful to know the meaning.
1 Corinthians 2:6-16
Wisdom from the Spirit
6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—
10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
MEANING OF WHAT WAS SAID TO JOSEPH LOMANGINO.
Joseph means: "He will add"
Lo means: “The” in Italian
Mangino has no meaning as it is- it derives from the name: Mancino.
Mancino means: "Left handed person".
Joey's name and what was said of him is actually a hidden message, a mystery and riddle of God. It is to be re- vealed now for, the time is at hand.
The message in this riddle is: "New eyes will be given to the left handed person."
Who is the left handed person? Scripture reveals: MATTHEW 25:40-42 (The Sheep and the Goats)
…40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’ 41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink,…
The left handed person is he who is at the left hand of God. They are the accursed ones. They give nothing, they contribute nothing and their works come to naught!
They are of the wide path and many follow their wanton conduct.
The meaning of the flaming square and triangle with the eye. The square means symmetry. Since God is a God of order there is balance and symmetry which is of His kingdom. The Kingdom of heaven is going to overthrow the rulers of this world and its current darkness. They are going to be given sight of the Lamb on the throne.
They are going to feel His wrath, THE RETRIBUTION OF THE LAMB= REVELATION 6:12-17.( READ)
This will occur when the sealing 144,000 of Rev.7:1-8 occurs . This is currently happening and will soon be complete when the Two Witnesses complete their prophesied time. This has to do with the Rev.12 sign that ap- peared and concluded over Israel. The flaming square and the triangle with the eye, is the Masonic, Illuminati,
OCCULT symbol . It is on fire because the Lord is going to destroy and consume them. This ruling body who practice this occult garbage are going to receive a BLOW TO THE HEAD! The falling away of many kingdoms and their Masonic Rulers is at hand. It is revealed in the Song of Mary, THE MAGNIFICAT. The toppling
of many kings and their Kingdoms is coming. The Bride will be preserved= the CHURCH, ELECT. This will be an exodus type event, but global. All of which in the end is about Israel. In Revelation 6, it says “hide us from the FACE of Him Who sits upon the throne” This is the sight given them right before His wrath. All will know the Lamb is God. For those who see the Son, see the Father. This is a terrifying vision, NOT Christ’s sec- ond Coming, a terrifying APPARITION!
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Post by hibernicus on Apr 6, 2018 20:15:15 GMT
Hadsa's post strikes me as insane. Will I delete it?
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Post by maolsheachlann on Apr 6, 2018 21:22:25 GMT
No need, I don't think anyone is going to do more than skim it.
I ignore unconfirmed private revelations myself. There is enough to know about the deposit of faith and people seem to become unhealthily attached to them.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Feb 21, 2024 17:39:40 GMT
I only read Hadasa's post just now. Joey Lomangino, whatever we think of Garabandal, was a living person. Not a symbol or a riddle.
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