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Post by hibernicus on Apr 15, 2020 20:29:17 GMT
Protestors in Poland break lockdown to demonstrate against proposal to restrict abortion. Auntie Beeb cheerleads for the pro-aborts as usual. This is what a consistent ethic of death looks like. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52301875
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Post by hibernicus on May 26, 2020 18:37:55 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on May 26, 2020 18:45:00 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 13, 2020 20:46:26 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 19, 2020 22:26:53 GMT
A brief discussion on the Commons vote to retain the (even more outrageous than in Britain) new Northern Ireland abortion provisions, devolution be damned. A few thoughts: - Most SNP MPs seem to have abstained, which amazes me because the SNP nowadays is generally as politically correct as they get. My guess is they saw their votes weren't needed and decided not to be too blatant in contradicting their usual demands for more and more devolved powers. - The two SDLP MPs voted for abortion. This was predictable but still saddening. - Boris Johnson's government is predominantly Tory-libertarian, with social conservatism even less influential than in the US (where its influence is steadily shrinking, cf the recent Supreme Court decision). It didn't just tolerate the pro-aborts, it actively encouraged them. - Two sources for this, I suspect (a) The DUP's brief attainment of the balance of power highlighted their social conservatism and gave the harpies of both sexes something to aim at (b) the ongoing internationally-co-ordinated campaign to sweep aside remaining restrictions on abortion with the aim of having abortion declared an international human right established by customary usage. (Notice I said co-ordinated; there are international campaigners but the various pro-abort groups are rooted in their own countries.) thecritic.co.uk/mps-approve-northern-ireland-abortion-regulations/
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 20, 2020 19:10:28 GMT
An outspoken denunciation of NI pro-abortion parties by Fr Paddy McCaffrey, with many other commenters bewailing the current predicament of Catholic/Nationalist pro-lifers in NI. The degeneration of the SDLP, particularly its younger activists, is a notable cause of this depression. PS - I thought that all the Alliance MLAs voted on the pro-abort side in the Stormont resolution, but apparently Chris Lyttle (East Belfast) voted pro-life. This was extremely courageous of him given the way Alliance are evolving into the Wokest of the Woke.
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 30, 2020 20:12:53 GMT
Lest we forget - 6,666 babies killed by abortion in Ireland in 2019. Aceldama -the field of blood. www.rte.ie/news/2020/0630/1150540-annual-report-on-health/The usual politically correct ghouls are demanding that the law be relaxed still further so that those women who still travel to Britain for abortions can have abortions here instead. Expect our wonderful new government to show all the rigidity of a chocolate teapot politics.ie/threads/post-8th-discussion.269714/page-63 This is what the electorate voted for when they voted to take abortion out of the constitution and leave the unborn to the tender mercies of the Herods of Leinster House. They may not have known exactly what they were voting for, but the majority couldn't be bovvered. It's an oversimplification to say abortion came through Ireland through the state and the multinationals (though both played their part). It was also a failure of prolife evangelisation. We lost the culture over the decades before we lost the Amendment, and we need to assess where we fell short and what to do now.
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Post by assisi on Jul 6, 2020 20:55:04 GMT
Lest we forget - 6,666 babies killed by abortion in Ireland in 2019. Aceldama -the field of blood. www.rte.ie/news/2020/0630/1150540-annual-report-on-health/The usual politically correct ghouls are demanding that the law be relaxed still further so that those women who still travel to Britain for abortions can have abortions here instead. Expect our wonderful new government to show all the rigidity of a chocolate teapot politics.ie/threads/post-8th-discussion.269714/page-63 This is what the electorate voted for when they voted to take abortion out of the constitution and leave the unborn to the tender mercies of the Herods of Leinster House. They may not have known exactly what they were voting for, but the majority couldn't be bovvered. It's an oversimplification to say abortion came through Ireland through the state and the multinationals (though both played their part). It was also a failure of prolife evangelisation. We lost the culture over the decades before we lost the Amendment, and we need to assess where we fell short and what to do now. Regarding the last sentence I think it would be interesting to start a thread where we, as a group on this forum, came up with a list of key points we could put forward as a way of addressing the areas where we fell short, not only for Catholicism in Ireland but in the West as a whole. Not a long exhaustive list as that would prove too demanding, but maybe issues we could suggest and then whittle down to half a dozen points that we could all agree on as a way forward? I believe that while there have been shortcomings, we should also realise that the the Church has suffered a deliberate and planned onslaught by forces such as cultural marxism, liberalism and consumerism. That even a relatively healthy Church would have been seriously wounded by this sustained onslaught. Proof of this is the fact that all other established institutions have also suffered from this, including the idea of the Nation state, monarchy, politics and politicians, health services and health personnel, education and teachers, law and order and the police, the family, moral qualities such as loyalty, patience, humility, modesty, sacrifice etc. There are a lot of people on this forum who have read widely on the history of the Irish Church and beyond and who have lived through this recent traumatic phase of history and they surely must have recognised one or two recurring themes or weaknesses that could be addressed or highlighted. It would be a shame not to try and pull some of that knowledge together.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 8, 2020 19:32:34 GMT
I think it's a bit overstated to talk of a "deliberate and planned onslaught" because it implies the other side had it all planned out from the beginning. It's more like the working out of a basic principle - in the Irish case a sense that the Ireland of the 50s was so intolerable that "modernisation" must be embraced at any price. That in turn raises the question of why a significant mass of people felt this way (and I am perfectly well aware that many people liked 50s Ireland). I alsothink it works out over more than one generation - the first may reject some or all of the old ways but still have a sense of their rationale and what it is like to believe them. The second see the new ways as common sense and the old as incomprehensible. (Gramscian cultural hegemony, at the core of "cultural marxism" is about how one set of ideas formerly seen as "common sense" are rejected and another set come to be taken for granted as "common sense" in their place.) I also think the primary focus has to be on internal flaws, because a focus on external attack as primary leads too easily to the view that "we" were simply innocent victims and the only reason anyone could side with them is pure badness. Examination of conscience means examining our own consciences, not as a matter of tactics but because it's the right thing to do.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 8, 2020 19:38:44 GMT
Put things another way - if external attack is decisive, why didn't C19 attempts to convert Irish Catholics to Evangelical Protestantism have more success? Such culture shifts are possible, as we've seen in Latin America in recent decades and indeed here (where evangelicals have won converts from Catholicism, though not to the same extent as secularism). Some of the most powerful and wealthy people in Ireland supported the Soupers, they had a hard core of dedicated missionaries -why didn't they succeed better if not (in part) because Irish Catholicism had something then which it has since lost?
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Post by assisi on Jul 9, 2020 13:09:56 GMT
Put things another way - if external attack is decisive, why didn't C19 attempts to convert Irish Catholics to Evangelical Protestantism have more success? Such culture shifts are possible, as we've seen in Latin America in recent decades and indeed here (where evangelicals have won converts from Catholicism, though not to the same extent as secularism). Some of the most powerful and wealthy people in Ireland supported the Soupers, they had a hard core of dedicated missionaries -why didn't they succeed better if not (in part) because Irish Catholicism had something then which it has since lost? Since the 60s in particular the sheer scale of the external influences have never been so widespread, insidious and ubiquitous. Whereas in the past the influence of family and local community would have had a more pronounced effect and would have been a counterpoint to modernity, with the rise of radio and television the external influence is almost totally anti-Christian in all forms of media. Add to that the planned march through the institutions that is cultural marxism, and particularly its influence on generations of students coming out as leftist radicals, then you have a big problem. On top of that it seems that our companies, from medium sized to multinational, are more than happy to endorse this movement wholeheartedly. Almost all administrative organisations from local to transnational will also be on board, whether it be the UN or our local councillors. As your dancing clerics prove, many people would sell their soul to be liked or to be relevant. Personally I don't get their desire to fit in at all costs, but it seems to be a major trend.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 10, 2020 23:21:09 GMT
Again, I think there are some other factors that need to be taken into account: (1) There was already a good deal of latent anti-clericalism in the decades before Vatican II, and this partly reflected genuine and unacknowledged concerns over clerical behaviour, including authoritarianism (the ability of clerical managers to fire teachers more or less at will and get them blacklisted from most teaching jobs in Ireland, for example). (2) There was a worldwide change of attitude towards the churches in the 60s (again for a variety of reasons, some legitimate - the Italian Christian Democrats' corruption, the tension between younger and older clerics reflecting a wave of postwar vocations and the difficulties existing church structures had in accommodating them). This feeds into mass media (Radio Eireann was quite deferential to Church and State until the 1960s, whereas RTE was staffed by many younger people who had British media experience and were influenced by changes there in the 1960s). Perhaps we should continue this on a new thread as it's not directly related to the prolife situation (though there is a connection)?
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 14, 2020 20:34:55 GMT
This post is quite useful, both as a reminder that the economic neoliberalism associated with Anglo-American conservatism is as sinister in its tendency to commoditise human life as the more obvious left/liberal suspects, and because there are already signs that euthanasia is the next step on the "liberal agenda" in this country. wherepeteris.com/now-the-elderly-need-a-pro-life-movement/
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 20, 2020 16:59:10 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 27, 2020 19:27:08 GMT
This article analyses the deep radicalism of the late Justice Ginsburg's view of abortion as a constitutional right, based on the view that abortion is necessary for women to be truly equal with men. The depressing thing is that our current abortion legislation is based pretty much on the same assumption. (The referendum was run on a three-card trick, with the hard cases being highlighted on one hand and on the other the "women can't be free unless they have full self-ownership based on abortion at will" argument being emphasised to stir up a sense of anger at perceived liferisk and being ordered around.) BTW the "women can't be free..." bit is a fairly close paraphrase of a sentence from one of the Glories of Abortion history books which has appeared since the referendum. All that is lacking is a declaration that there is an actual constitutional right to abortion, and I wouldn't put it past our social and political elites to arrange that in a few years' time. stream.org/did-justice-ginsberg-endorse-eugenics-was-she-a-racist/
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