Post by Los leandros on Sept 30, 2011 11:13:46 GMT
Hibernicus, maybe I was over sensitive. But do you not agree that sometimes the kind of - we are all saved, we dont have to do anything to merit God's mercy - sermon, is dangerous & does'nt encourage/help people to aspire to anything better. I'm not suggesting, by the way, that you were implying this. It's the total polar opposite ( & equally harmful, in my view ) of the kind of puritanical/joylessness of certain preachers. Both are to be avoided.
Restarting this thread with a very dark story. The Socialist Workers' Party in Britain is being disrupted by a scandal involving sexual exploitation of younger members by senior figures, and an instance in which the party held an "internal tribunal" which cleared a senior member of rape accusations after a very inadequate enquiry, and discouraged the alleged victim from going to the police. This is of course the same SWP which campaigns with such fervour for unrestricted abortion and smears pro-lifers as fascists, bigots, misogynists etc I wonder will the mainstream media take it up with half the fervour with which they have (rightly) pursued the scandals and cover-ups within the church. Let's wait and see. Please note BTW that this scandal refers to the BRITISH SWP and there is apparently no suggestion that the Irish sister organisation is involved - but if you run into the SWP rentamob chanting their hatred at pro-lifers it might be interesting to reply "how's Comrade Delta these days"? www.politics.ie/forum/united-kingdom/204109-swp-uk-convenes-kangaroo-court-try-one-its-own-leaders-rape-allegation.html
hurryupharry.org/2013/01/11/the-swps-fk-circuit/ EXTRACT John R • a day ago Here's a long quote from Andy Newman from Sept last year when Socialist Unity were defending George Galloway. In the light of recent events maybe more will be coming out re this "f**K circuit".-
"The long term editor of Socialist Worker used to have a reputation that “no means yes”, and when he vistied some districts, experienced comrades in the know sought to ensure he was not left alone with young women.
When women who had been assaulted complained, they were diminished and hounded out of the SWP. I know of one occasion when a victim of sexual assault was sat down with a senior woman CC SWP member who told her to keep quiet for the good of “the party”, excusing the behaviour because “capitalism f**ks [MY ASTERISKS - HIB]everyone up”, and then warning if she didn’t keep quiet then no-one would believe her, and the SWP would destroy her reputation.
During the 1980s there was a strange phenomenon of several angry young womwn comrades who used to talk about the sexism of this leading comrade, but they had been intimidated out of explaining what had happened, and instead the discusion often focussed on seemingly trivial details, like the fact that he always referred to women socialists by their first names, and male comrades by surnames (lenin and marx, but Rosa and Clara, for example)
To fnd an organisation that systematicaly for decades covered up sexual assault and who intimidated women who complained into silence praised in this was is disgraceful.
Even worse, I know of an IS/SWP district in the 1970s who colluded in silence and looked the other way when a leading industrial militant was raping his own step-daughter: the individual in question had previoulsy been in the IMG, who had also covered it up. When as a young 17 year old I confronted him at a party and asked him loudly if he was still fucking his duaghter, it was me cautioned by the SWP, while the truth of thse allegations was quietly ignored."
www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/2013/01/what-does-swps-way-dealing-sex-assault-allegations-tell-us-about-left EXTRACT To say that the left has a problem with handling sexual violence is not to imply that everyone else doesn't. There is, however, a stubborn refusal to accept and deal with rape culture that is unique to the left and to progressives more broadly. It is precisely to do with the idea that, by virtue of being progressive, by virtue of fighting for equality and social justice, by virtue of, well, virtue, we are somehow above being held personally accountable when it comes to issues of race, gender and sexual violence.
That unwillingness to analyse our own behaviour can quickly become dogma. The image is one of petty, nitpicking women attempting to derail the good work of decent men on the left by insisting in their whiny little women's way that progressive spaces should also be spaces where we don't expect to get raped and assaulted and slut-shamed and victimised for speaking out, and the emotions are rage and resentment: why should our pure and perfect struggle for class war, for transparency, for freedom from censorship be polluted by - it's pronounced with a curl of the upper lip over the teeth, as if the very word is distasteful - 'identity politics'? Why should we be held more accountable than common-or-garden bigots? Why should we be held to higher standards?
Because if we're not, then we have no business calling ourselves progressive. Because if we don't acknowledge issues of assault, abuse and gender hierarchy within our own institutions we have no business speaking of justice, much less fighting for it... END
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Claritas: It was not my intention to go until a series of events led me there. I'll leave it up to the Church to decide what is and is not a hoax, I can only judge what I personally experienced, and those of others pilgrims I met. My only regret is not going sooner.
Jan 16, 2019 22:58:04 GMT
Claritas: Maria, Regina Pacem, ora pro nobis.
Jan 16, 2019 22:59:12 GMT
Colmcille: Forum is all into politics of the world and mickey measuring instead of any depth of spirituality - wrong focus. No salt or light. Pray and Fast. May God bring blessings to you.
Feb 27, 2019 19:42:56 GMT
maolsheachlann: Well, that is because it is a forum. I suspect everyone who does post here prays and fasts and cultivates a spiritual life. But these are things we agree on, so it doesn't really make for discussion.
Feb 28, 2019 10:18:21 GMT
maolsheachlann: Of course, if you want to take it in a different direction you are welcome to post something.
Feb 28, 2019 13:18:15 GMT
Colmcille: Political nonsense. You don't have to disagree with the depth of Catholic spirituality, lives of the Saints and treasures of the faith in order to discuss them.
Mar 3, 2019 16:48:29 GMT
maolsheachlann: This is why I disabled the shoutbox on the Irish Conservatives Forum. People with substantive contributions to make will do so in the forum.
Mar 4, 2019 13:57:20 GMT
maolsheachlann: I wish the lurkers would get involved. What's there to lose? It's a shame that there's only four or five people who post on the forum.
Aug 28, 2019 13:35:53 GMT
Lurker: One migth think that the only issue facing Irish Catholic’s i
Nov 19, 2019 15:04:27 GMT
Lurker: one might think the only issue facing Irish Catholics are liturgical.
Nov 19, 2019 15:05:06 GMT
maolsheachlann: I agree there is an over-emphasis on this among many Catholics.
Nov 19, 2019 15:07:04 GMT
maolsheachlann: Although of course it's important, too.
Nov 19, 2019 15:07:30 GMT
self excom: Do most Catholics actually know that to be a true catholic they need to believe that Mary is not the mother of God
Feb 15, 2020 14:27:33 GMT
maolsheachlann: I think you're going to have to expand on that one.
Feb 21, 2020 14:38:38 GMT
Arthur Miles Martin: You left out the four requirements for the holy Mass / Sacred Liturgy to be licit and valid. Proper ordination, proper form, proper intent and proper matter of pure wheat bread and pure grape wine. These are being violated everyday in most dioceses.
Feb 25, 2020 17:29:05 GMT
Arthur Miles Martin: I lived through Vatican II. The worse thing that came out of it was the ten year EXPERIMENTATION WITH THE HOLY EUCHARIST. I attended a gingerbread Jesus Mass, a sexual-deviant Mass and I had a cousin tell me of a pizza and cola mass in Alabama.
Feb 25, 2020 17:36:38 GMT
Arthur Miles Martin: Each year the USCCB petitioned the Vatican for Communion in the hand and each year the Vatican's response was NO! Then after ten rejections the USCCB said but we have to because the People demand it. I was never asked, were you?
Feb 25, 2020 17:40:02 GMT
Arthur Miles Martin: Come Holy Spirit renew the face of the earth. What is coming is a just purification of the Church and the world first.
Feb 25, 2020 17:41:27 GMT
indie77: The doctrine of the trinity says God is not Jesus so Mary is not mother of God
Feb 26, 2020 10:19:36 GMT
hibernicus: Indie 77 seems to be independent of any knowledge of the actual doctrine of the Trinity. Is he using "God" to refer to God the Father only?
Mar 1, 2020 23:31:18 GMT