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Post by hibernicus on Sept 18, 2017 19:37:32 GMT
One of Fr Flannery's latest tweets is sadly revealing of his current state of mind. He objects to adoring God, on the grounds that a God who wants to be worshipped is not the sort of God he would want to worship. This is sadly revealing of a legalistic mindset - he sees worshipping God as an external obligation imposed by threats and force, rather than the natural response when we become aware of his true nature (as if, to take an analogy, he assumed I could only admire Bl. Frederick Ozanam because I am ordered to do so, or feel gratitude to the inventors of the polio vaccine out of fear). www.tonyflannery.com/adoring-and-glorifying-god-doesnt-cut-it-for-me-anymore/I pray for Fr Flannery regularly because I suspect to some extent he was the victim of bad spiritual formation.
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Post by Young Ireland on Sept 18, 2017 19:43:01 GMT
One of Fr Flannery's latest tweets is sadly revealing of his current state of mind. He objects to adoring God, on the grounds that a God who wants to be worshipped is not the sort of God he would want to worship. This is sadly revealing of a legalistic mindset - he sees worshipping God as an external obligation imposed by threats and force, rather than the natural response when we become aware of his true nature (as if, to take an analogy, he assumed I could only admire Bl. Frederick Ozanam because I am ordered to do so, or feel gratitude to the inventors of the polio vaccine out of fear). www.tonyflannery.com/adoring-and-glorifying-god-doesnt-cut-it-for-me-anymore/I pray for Fr Flannery regularly because I suspect to some extent he was the victim of bad spiritual formation. He doesn't seem to realise that God has no need of worship, but rather that worship is a result of gratitude for all that God has done for us. The big question is does he believe that the Crucifixion had any supernatural aspect to it?
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Post by maolsheachlann on Sept 18, 2017 20:30:01 GMT
It sounds a lot like "non serviam" to me.
It's hard for me even to imaginatively enter into this. Doesn't he know what joy is in adoration? is anyone ever happier than when they are adoring something or someone?
I wonder what Fr. Flannery will be left with when he's finished chipping away at the parts of the faith he doesn't like.
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 23, 2017 21:48:01 GMT
Rod Dreher has a nice analysis of the concept of "dialogue" as deployed by many self-described liberal Catholics - most recently the lay board who run the Belgian Brothers of Charity institutions and are now allowing euthanasia to take place therein over the objections of the original Brothers of Charity religious order.(Anyone else think this is an ominous sign for the various trusts our own dying religious orders have set up to preserve the Catholic character of their institutions?) Basically "dialogue" in this context means - Everything you believe must be open to discussion, but we won't open our beliefs to debate. The dialogue will last until you accept our beliefs, and this is the only acceptable option. Then we will proscribe anyone who still maintains their original beliefs. Read the ACP website and judge for yourselves www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-dangers-of-dialogue/
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Post by maolsheachlann on Sept 23, 2017 22:32:50 GMT
Rod Dreher has a nice analysis of the concept of "dialogue" as deployed by many self-described liberal Catholics - most recently the lay board who run the Belgian Brothers of Charity institutions and are now allowing euthanasia to take place therein over the objections of the original Brothers of Charity religious order.(Anyone else think this is an ominous sign for the various trusts our own dying religious orders have set up to preserve the Catholic character of their institutions?) Basically "dialogue" in this context means - Everything you believe must be open to discussion, but we won't open our beliefs to debate. The dialogue will last until you accept our beliefs, and this is the only acceptable option. Then we will proscribe anyone who still maintains their original beliefs. Read the ACP website and judge for yourselves www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-dangers-of-dialogue/That's EXACTLY what diaogue means to these people. They close it down ruthlessly once they have what they want.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 14, 2017 18:44:00 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 21, 2017 20:37:40 GMT
The IRISH CATHOLIC publishes an abridged version of Dom Hederman's speech in this week's issue. Those who can stomach the bad overdose of John O'Donoghue's wannabe-Hopi platitudes towards the end, and the assumption that conservatism is never justified, will notice that he does make some very salient points on such matters as the ways in which the ACP leadership group makes statements on behalf of the entire membership without bothering to consult them, and how they seem more concerned with grabbing control of the church than addressing its overall position: irishcatholic.com/popes-velvet-revolution-priests-can/
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Post by hibernicus on Dec 6, 2017 21:09:18 GMT
Fr Flannery's sympathetic discussion of a reader's e-mail suggesting founding a new church without "superstitious nonsense" like transubstantiation and Marian devotion. His response to this suggestion shows how far he has drifted. Pray for him. www.tonyflannery.com/a-correspondent-sent-me-the-following-email/Here he dons his tinfoil hat and accuses Pope Emeritus Benedict of conspiring against Pope Francis. As always, he sees everything his opponents do in the least charitable light, and it does not occur to him, for example, that the reason why the Pope Emeritus remained in Rome rather than going back to Germany was to keep in touch with the current Pope and so avoid misunderstandings. (Remember that Benedict has to set precedents for possible future emeriti.) www.tonyflannery.com/is-benedict-orchestrating-the-opposition-to-francis/
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Post by annie on Dec 6, 2017 22:51:31 GMT
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Post by annie on Dec 8, 2017 14:21:00 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 4, 2018 22:42:35 GMT
Fr Flannery strikes again, describing the Gospel Nativity accounts as beautiful and profound myths, describing Jesus in terms which could be subscribed to by a Socinian Unitarian, and dismissing the Christological definitions of the Church Fathers as primitive and worthless. If I believed what Fr Flannery believed I would go off and join the Unitarians. I suspect what has happened is that he has fallen into the same trap as Fr Tyrrell, who tried to address his penitents' genuine and bitterly-felt theological problems by taking up the study of Biblical criticism and went straight from naive literalism to naive rejection, in the process developing the view that the orthodox must necessarily be fools or dishonest. Once again, pray for Fr Tony Flannery that his eyes may be opened to see and love God revealed in Jesus Christ. www.tonyflannery.com/my-article-published-in-the-independent-dec-23rd/
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Post by Account Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 0:18:56 GMT
Is he still not excommunicated? It's hard to understand why much more of this should be accepted by the Vatican, especially if he hasn't recanted previous heresies.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Jan 5, 2018 10:54:54 GMT
Is he still not excommunicated? It's hard to understand why much more of this should be accepted by the Vatican, especially if he hasn't recanted previous heresies. I think Fr. Flannery would have to do something really serious, like denying climate change or the desirability of open borders, to be disciplined under the current pontificate.
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Post by annie on Jan 5, 2018 19:06:56 GMT
Fr Flannery strikes again, describing the Gospel Nativity accounts as beautiful and profound myths, describing Jesus in terms which could be subscribed to by a Socinian Unitarian, and dismissing the Christological definitions of the Church Fathers as primitive and worthless. If I believed what Fr Flannery believed I would go off and join the Unitarians. I suspect what has happened is that he has fallen into the same trap as Fr Tyrrell, who tried to address his penitents' genuine and bitterly-felt theological problems by taking up the study of Biblical criticism and went straight from naive literalism to naive rejection, in the process developing the view that the orthodox must necessarily be fools or dishonest. Once again, pray for Fr Tony Flannery that his eyes may be opened to see and love God revealed in Jesus Christ. www.tonyflannery.com/my-article-published-in-the-independent-dec-23rd/Some cannot accept that Jesus is God and try all sorts of mental gymnastics to explain his life. The infant narratives are believed to have been supplied to St Luke by Our Lady herself. Both Paul and Mark would have missed out on this part of his life. The Gospels are full of the Lord’s miracles, displaying his divinity yet some would rather disbelieve in them and him. What contortions people get themselves into... saying that hungry people without food shared their lunches!! Education cannot make a wise man out of a fool but it can puff him up and make him vain.
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Post by annie on Jan 5, 2018 19:24:23 GMT
Is he still not excommunicated? It's hard to understand why much more of this should be accepted by the Vatican, especially if he hasn't recanted previous heresies. X When I was young, it was impressed on me by our curate of the time, that those Catholics who got married in registry offices/ other religions were not married at all but were living in a state of mortal sin. When civil marriage for same sex couples was originally proposed here, Cardinal Sean Brady spoke out against it as being wrong in itself but Archbishop Martin of Dublin thought it had merit as it could be used to make provision for the material needs in justice for both parties. Pope Francis also takes this line afaik. Many women, whose husbands deserted them for another, kept their vows and didn't seek a replacement. We are told as part of the sermon on the mount that you cannot serve God and mammon. Also that Man does not live on bread alone. I am glad of clear teachers like Archbishop Burke. With people like him, the Church is renewed from age to age and the truth prevails.
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