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Post by regenskuechl on Feb 24, 2010 18:43:00 GMT
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Post by guillaume on Feb 25, 2010 11:07:21 GMT
I think Hibernicus needs a co moderator !
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Post by regenskuechl on Feb 25, 2010 18:49:48 GMT
I think Hibernicus needs a co moderator ! And you mean that should be me ? Are you sure I am the right theist for the job ? I am honored for your thrust however, and if I get to be co moderator I will never dissapoint you Back to theme for now. Since you had nothing to say to it :-Xhere is what south park has to say to it > www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104226And here is a list of age of consent worldwide > www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htmIt is remarkable that Vatican has an age of consent as low as 12, considering the amount of campaigning the Roman church did to keep the Irish age of concent at 17 and to keep it a criminal offence for two consenting 16 year olds to have sex. However, here are 2 theme based comments to Vaticans age of consent of 12 from another forum www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=8331.msg159822#new
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Post by Harris on Feb 26, 2010 18:06:40 GMT
This is an oddity indeed. I am sure it must be some old law that has been left on the statute books and never reformed. Wasnt there something vaguely similar on the statute books of Trinity College in Dublin up until recent times? Something along the lines that the head of the college was entitled to birch three Catholics a year or some such thing? These things do crop up from time to time, but in the case of the Vatican, I'm not convinced under age sex is a big leagl issue for their Policing Officials at this time.
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Post by regenskuechl on Feb 28, 2010 6:29:51 GMT
Do you know that there exist Christian child porn websites with real child porn from real Christians to Christians (No Fake) They legitimate themselves religiously with the fact that they do not show porn with little boys under the age of 7 ;D For some bible verse says that a seven year is a man. So this Christians say that 7 is the age of consent and it is no sin to watch child porn if the actors are older than 6 Child porn is not forbidden by the bible. In the OT the hebrews even are commanded to let alive the little girls of the slaughtered enemy to sexually abuse them later and make them pregnant
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Post by guillaume on Mar 1, 2010 9:01:23 GMT
Do you know that there exist Christian child porn websites with real child porn from real Christians to Christians (No Fake) They legitimate themselves religiously with the fact that they do not show porn with little boys under the age of 7 ;D For some bible verse says that a seven year is a man. So this Christians say that 7 is the age of consent and it is no sin to watch child porn if the actors are older than 6 Child porn is not forbidden by the bible. In the OT the hebrews even are commanded to let alive the little girls of the slaughtered enemy to sexually abuse them later and make them pregnant Listen little atheist troll, you can keep your garbage for urself. When I said Hibernicus needs a co moderator, I meant in his absence somebody should have put your posts where they belong : a dust bin. Capisco ?
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 1, 2010 12:47:29 GMT
I presume this reflects the traditional law definition of the age at which one has the intellectual capacity to contract a valid marriage. (This is not quite the same as the age of consent, which applies to extra-marital intercourse as well, but they are clearly related concepts since both involve the question of the age at which a child acquires a will of its own and the capacity to understand the full implications of sexual intercourse, such an understanding being required for informed consent.) I am not sure if canon law on this has been amended to revise the age slightly upwards. The traditional age for marriage here assumes (a) a society where the average age of death is about 30, so that people do many things younger (b) where the majority of the population are peasants and labourers for whose work only the most minimal education is required (c) protection lies in family groups so getting married and having children is seen as necessary for protection and support. If some catastrophe on the scale of the one depicted in Cormac MacCarthy's THE ROAD were to happen the survivors would presumably revert to marriage at physical maturity. In other words, the age of consent is to some extent socially determined by the fact that in modern developed societies we need a longer education process and more complex skills to survive and assume the responsibilities of adulthood. Canon Law formulated in such a society also tended to favor early marriage (or early religious profession) as necessary to channel the physical appetites. This is the context for the minor seminary syatem as it existed until fairly recently, or the mediaeval practice of admitting novices to monasteries at the age of seven. The "traditional" Irish Catholic practice of delayed marriage was actually historically unusual; old-time rural Quebec with its early marriages and high birthrate was nearer the norm. One last point, whatever about this state of affairs, and it is in many respects undesirable, we are talking about MARRIAGE here - a state which requires mutual obligations and commitments. The brutal exploitation of others by using them as objects for one's own gratification a la the paedophile priests has always been worng and condemned by the Church. I would refer him to St. Peter Damian's BOOK OF GOMORRAH for an example of a Doctor of the Church "getting mediaeval" on such criminals - would that our contemporary Church leaders were more like him.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 1, 2010 17:48:59 GMT
By the way, Regenskuechl, while this is a legitimate subject for you to raise, I don't like your tone. This isn't a formal warning - just a hint like the one I gave monkeyman after his clash with eccles.
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Post by regenskuechl on Mar 5, 2010 6:19:22 GMT
Listen little atheist troll, Why do you suppose I am any of that three things you attributed to me here That is prejudice and shows your inability for a civilized debate you can keep your garbage for urself. I raised legitimate subjects that are in topic with the forums main theme. It is not my fault that you are too ashamed to say something to it When I said Hibernicus needs a co moderator, I meant in his absence somebody should have put your posts where they belong? In the catholics only part of the forum where the catholics can undisturbed brood over them ;DHaha this is a joke from you of course, and Gee, why do you promise me that I get to be a mod and than you get back on your word Your god would be ashamed of you Dont you know the eighth commandment > Thou shalt not lie
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Post by regenskuechl on Mar 5, 2010 6:34:12 GMT
By the way, Regenskuechl, while this is a legitimate subject for you to raise, I don't like your tone. This isn't a formal warning - just a hint like the one I gave monkeyman after his clash with eccles. OK hibernicus I heard you, but then you should also give guillaume a hint that his name calling me is in no way christian or civilized If I am attacked I have to give as I receive, as I would do in any forum
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 5, 2010 12:18:53 GMT
Fair enough - will everyone please calm down. Guillaume, please control your temper.
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Post by guillaume on Mar 5, 2010 13:54:42 GMT
@ regen : Ashamed of what ? And i never promised you to be moderator ! Read again ! If an atheist become mod, i quit the forum and many will do the same Regarding "civilized" conversation, It is difficult to respond to pure provocation, as you atheists are so keen to promote. This is the reason why i concider you as a troll. Dont't worry, us catholics, are WELL aware of what's going on the church, the scandals in particular. We are certainly as digusted as you are, because thoses acts are pure evil and inspired by the devil. They do not glorify God, obviously in any way. And I add, that we are ven more concerned by you, because it touchs an institution we trust. Good day ! ;D
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Post by Harris on Mar 5, 2010 14:07:44 GMT
@ regen : Ashamed of what ? And i never promised you to be moderator ! Read again ! If an atheist become mod, i quit the forum and many will do the same Regarding "civilized" conversation, It is difficult to respond to pure provocation, as you atheists are so keen to promote. This is the reason why i concider you as a troll. Dont't worry, us catholics, are WELL aware of what's going on the church, the scandals in particular. We are certainly as digusted as you are, because thoses acts are pure evil and inspired by the devil. They do not glorify God, obviously in any way. And I add, that we are ven more concerned by you, because it touchs an institution we trust. Good day ! ;D Not to take any sides here...... But I think the initial post was just pointing out the the Legal age for consentual sex in the Vatican State is 12. No? Did you actually read what was in the article or did you just react to the title of this post guillaume? As far as I know this is the truth. Currently it is legal to have sex at age 12 if you are within the Vatican. It seems this is simply a consequence of the Vatican having adopted the Italian criminal code of 1889. As I said in my previous post, this is a bit odd but probably just something that has not yet been updated on the Statute Books. Guillaume you said: "Dont't worry, us catholics, are WELL aware of what's going on the church, the scandals in particular. We are certainly as digusted as you are, because thoses acts are pure evil and inspired by the devil."The above article has absolutely nothing to do with child abuse or any of the other scandals you refer to. This simply leads me to believe that you didnt read the article at all and just reacted to the title and assumed what was written in it. I have not formed an opinion whether the initial post by regenskuechl was done in good faith or just to stir thigs up. The title of the post is the same as that in the article he linked to. However, it does seem that guillaume is of the opinion that it was posted as an attempt to troll on this site. And guillaume, I think you can rest assured that the Administrator and any potential co-administrators on this site will be of the Catholic Faith. Hopefully Hibericus will agree with me on this and put your mind at rest.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 5, 2010 16:38:01 GMT
We are certainly NOT going to have an atheist as moderator - please calm down. If some of the atheist posters are trolls, then they are trying to make you angry - don't fall into the trap.
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