Post by hazelireland on Nov 3, 2009 11:24:05 GMT
It distresses me that anyone on this planet would openly sit there and declare that conversation is useless. For share sir, for shame.
I come from the position that anything I say is based on things I can also show to be true. This goes the whole way down. Nothing I say is based on anything I can not also show to be true.
It seems, in your view, that it is a lot to ask of you to be the same.
I can talk at length about any subject and keep going and answer any question on it if it is a position I espouse.
If conversation is impossible here it is not MY fault therefore. It is YOURS. As soon as we enter a subject, or I enter a real genuine question, the answer you give me is essentially “I think it because…. Well because I think it and I believe it and I have faith”.
This is, essentially, a conversation stopper. Anything that stops conversation is a problem. There is not one thing you could ask me about something I espouse or stand for that I can not give you, right down to grass roots, all the reasons and arguments for why I hold that position.
If I ever gave the answer “I think that because I think it” I would… and apologies if I insult you by proxy for saying this…. be downright ashamed of myself and with good reason.
Conversation is our species only way to reach conclusions. Yes we have arguments and disagreements along the way, sometimes fiery ones, but we get there in the end.
“Faith” however is essentially crossing your arms, stamping your feet and saying “I think I am right because I think I am right”. This gets us nowhere and when you put two people with conflicting irreconcilable faiths beside each other you will NEVER reach a conclusion. When conversation stops, violence, anger and hatred follow.
I come from the position that anything I say is based on things I can also show to be true. This goes the whole way down. Nothing I say is based on anything I can not also show to be true.
It seems, in your view, that it is a lot to ask of you to be the same.
I can talk at length about any subject and keep going and answer any question on it if it is a position I espouse.
If conversation is impossible here it is not MY fault therefore. It is YOURS. As soon as we enter a subject, or I enter a real genuine question, the answer you give me is essentially “I think it because…. Well because I think it and I believe it and I have faith”.
This is, essentially, a conversation stopper. Anything that stops conversation is a problem. There is not one thing you could ask me about something I espouse or stand for that I can not give you, right down to grass roots, all the reasons and arguments for why I hold that position.
If I ever gave the answer “I think that because I think it” I would… and apologies if I insult you by proxy for saying this…. be downright ashamed of myself and with good reason.
Conversation is our species only way to reach conclusions. Yes we have arguments and disagreements along the way, sometimes fiery ones, but we get there in the end.
“Faith” however is essentially crossing your arms, stamping your feet and saying “I think I am right because I think I am right”. This gets us nowhere and when you put two people with conflicting irreconcilable faiths beside each other you will NEVER reach a conclusion. When conversation stops, violence, anger and hatred follow.