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Post by assisi on Nov 7, 2021 16:36:39 GMT
1968 is a case in point year. You had the student riots in Paris which are proverbial. You had similar riots in Chicago against the Vietnam War which cause chaos for the Democrats. You had the Prague Spring. And you had the reaction to Humanae Vitae. I am not sure if it was me or someone else that made the connection between the change in the Friday Abstinence rules prior to the encyclical, but dropping Friday fish very much gave the impression that the bar on artificial contraception was about to go. Oh, and this pressure on Pope Paul came from the United States rather than Europe. But the point is that this was the era of stuff like the "Summer of Love" and it was equally represented on both sides of the Atlantic and it has trickle down effects on this country to this day. In vocations loss too. But let's concentrate on something immediate and home grown. The dilution of catechesis and vocations free fall. If kids don't know what they believe, how do you expect them to make a life long commitment to it, as a priest or religious? With regard to the last paragraph there is an advertisement at the back of November's 'Alive' free newspaper for a new Catholic post primary school in Cork called Mater Dei Academy which has been created to deliver an authentic Catholic education. It has only 21 students at the moment and the school is not state funded and depends on parents and donors. It looks like it goes down the route of a classically liberal Catholic education with Theology and Philosophy taught as well as Latin and Irish. It would be nice to see it increase in size. If it gains in reputation then those numbers will grow, so the early days are important (the school was set up in 2020). Website: www.materdeiacademy.ie/
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 11, 2021 23:20:12 GMT
The ad seems very strong on photos of well-behaved students in uniform and very weak on such matters as the identity and qualifications of the teachers and whether the school has an institutional sponsor. There is a chair-of-the-board name given in the ad.
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Post by assisi on Nov 14, 2021 15:23:36 GMT
The ad seems very strong on photos of well-behaved students in uniform and very weak on such matters as the identity and qualifications of the teachers and whether the school has an institutional sponsor. There is a chair-of-the-board name given in the ad. Yes it did cross my mind that the quality of the teachers (and the authenticity of the parents) will be crucial to the success of the venture. That said, it is an advertisement and has a limited space in which to influence and impress. I do like it when people actually do positive things rather than simply theorise about them. It may amount to nothing or it may succeed and other such colleges may arise in other Irish towns and cities. I may be getting ahead of myself but it would be good to have an authentic Catholic University in Ireland where some of these students could go for 3rd level education.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 21, 2021 20:57:14 GMT
I would think that one of the best ways to influence and impress would be to show that it has a solid organisation behind it and that the teachers have good credentials. The point about space restrictions doesn't apply to the website, but it isn't much more informative.
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 14, 2022 17:57:28 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 19, 2022 1:11:07 GMT
I don't normally link to OnePeterFive because I think some of their stuff is off the wall, but this piece by a young Irish trad (who I suspect is an SSPX adherent) has attracted a good deal of attention and is worth reading, particularly for its description of the collapse among his family and heir neighbours of a hollowed-out Irish cultural Catholicism (i.e. going to Mass because it's the thing to do, when underlying belief is evaporating) in the 1990s and 2000s. onepeterfive.com/a-young-irishman-smiles-at-traditionis-custodes/
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Post by maolsheachlann on Jan 19, 2022 10:08:37 GMT
I don't normally link to OnePeterFive because I think some of their stuff is off the wall, but this piece by a young Irish trad (who I suspect is an SSPX adherent) has attracted a good deal of attention and is worth reading, particularly for its description of the collapse among his family and heir neighbours of a hollowed-out Irish cultural Catholicism (i.e. going to Mass because it's the thing to do, when underlying belief is evaporating) in the 1990s and 2000s. onepeterfive.com/a-young-irishman-smiles-at-traditionis-custodes/If Traditionalists had a church in every neighbourhood, how many would be in each congregation? I've become used to Traditionalist stereotypes about Ordinary Form Masses at this stage. All I can say is that it doesn't fit with my experience, either in terms of congregation size, demographics, trendiness of priests, and reverence or irreverence among the worshippers. I think the people who write these kind of articles see what they want to see. Obligatory disclaimer that of course most Traditionalists are not like this. I'm afraid the reaction to Traditionis Custodes makes me more sympathetic to Pope Francis's motivations in issuing it, although I still think it was heavy-handed and excessive.
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 19, 2022 22:58:09 GMT
Oh, I agree that trads are a self-selecting group and tend to project their own enthusiasm onto the wider public. (TLM celebrations before Vatican II in Ireland were often rushed, to put it politely.) I would also note that this gentleman "laughs at TC" because he is a schismatic and was one before TC. He is thus unaffected by it, while trads loyal to the Papacy are harmed. He is not an authority on the present state of the OF Mass in Ireland, given that he has been avoiding it for decades now, but his description of a sudden collapse of Mass attendance in the 90s and early 2000s fits with my recollections, and I certainly hear a lot from people who claim they only went to Mass out of social conformity, or to conciliate their parents. His observation of the phenomenon is a different matter from his simplistic proposed solution. (Bear in mind that the major C20 Modernists all said, or attended, the older rite for much or all of their careers.)
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Post by maolsheachlann on Jan 20, 2022 9:24:37 GMT
Oh, I agree that trads are a self-selecting group and tend to project their own enthusiasm onto the wider public. (TLM celebrations before Vatican II in Ireland were often rushed, to put it politely.) I would also note that this gentleman "laughs at TC" because he is a schismatic and was one before TC. He is thus unaffected by it, while trads loyal to the Papacy are harmed. He is not an authority on the present state of the OF Mass in Ireland, given that he has been avoiding it for decades now, but his description of a sudden collapse of Mass attendance in the 90s and early 2000s fits with my recollections, and I certainly hear a lot from people who claim they only went to Mass out of social conformity, or to conciliate their parents. His observation of the phenomenon is a different matter from his simplistic proposed solution. (Bear in mind that the major C20 Modernists all said, or attended, the older rite for much or all of their careers.) I was not going to Mass in the nineties or the early millennium so I didn't experience this. I find myself asking if a faith such as this writer's article describes is actually based on aesthetics.
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Post by dalcassian on Feb 8, 2022 12:01:03 GMT
Oh, I agree that trads are a self-selecting group and tend to project their own enthusiasm onto the wider public. (TLM celebrations before Vatican II in Ireland were often rushed, to put it politely.) I would also note that this gentleman "laughs at TC" because he is a schismatic and was one before TC. He is thus unaffected by it, while trads loyal to the Papacy are harmed. He is not an authority on the present state of the OF Mass in Ireland, given that he has been avoiding it for decades now, but his description of a sudden collapse of Mass attendance in the 90s and early 2000s fits with my recollections, and I certainly hear a lot from people who claim they only went to Mass out of social conformity, or to conciliate their parents. His observation of the phenomenon is a different matter from his simplistic proposed solution. (Bear in mind that the major C20 Modernists all said, or attended, the older rite for much or all of their careers.) I was not going to Mass in the nineties or the early millennium so I didn't experience this. I find myself asking if a faith such as this writer's article describes is actually based on aesthetics. The author writes about how he would attend Mass in the carpark of an industrial estate. Not a particularly aesthetic experience.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Feb 8, 2022 13:20:06 GMT
I was not going to Mass in the nineties or the early millennium so I didn't experience this. I find myself asking if a faith such as this writer's article describes is actually based on aesthetics. The author writes about how he would attend Mass in the carpark of an industrial estate. Not a particularly aesthetic experience. Obviously I was referring to the aesthetics of the liturgy itself.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 19, 2022 19:59:48 GMT
Here is some more information on Mater Dei Academy which gives the names of some of those involved in organising and funding it and an account of its educational philosophy. At least one Dominican is named as a teacher. I wonder where the Virginia-based Saints and Scholars Foundation, which fundraises for it and is organising a pilgrimage for sympathisers, is coming from, but this article gives more substance than the ALIVE! ad. www.ncregister.com/features/getting-back-to-irish-roots-catholic-classical-school-launches
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