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Post by hibernicus on Sept 25, 2012 20:37:51 GMT
Too much speculation, I think. Inda probably did brief the media but given the way things are he might just as easily have thought that he would benefit by being seen to snub the Pope.
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 25, 2012 21:10:01 GMT
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Sept 26, 2012 8:08:51 GMT
I'm surprised no one picked up on the expression on Inda's face when Michael Murphy (the Donegal captain) went up to collect the Sam Maguire. We appreciate his disappointment at Mayo's loss, but a national leader is supposed to be able to conceal things like that.
Even reading the politics.ie comments, many of whom seem to think he was playing 'Angry Birds' on his phone in Castel Gandolfo - I think the snub idea is counter-productive. Those who would be impressed by his behavior are offended he was there in the first place. Many of those who are not Catholic and who hold secularist principles saw it that whether or not he was there was open to argument, but given that he did opt to go there, he should have carried himself like a statesman and not a bored school boy. And furthermore, there are many including FG people and people from the west of Ireland who would be offended by this.
I have to say that I would be very surprised if Michael D Higgins, with his history of liberalism, would behave like this (though he would probably have a private audience as a head of state). I would even be surprised if Éamon Gilmore behaved like this were he at a similar meeting. Inda is coming across as a small town politician who made it big almost by accident and doesn't know what to do when let out in public. Well, you know the saying about people getting the politicians they deserve.
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 26, 2012 17:33:12 GMT
Fr Zuhlsdorf has picked up on Inda's antics wdtprs.com/blog/2012/09/enda-kenny-texting-during-an-audience-with-benedict-xvi/BTW, how does Inda's behaviour compared with Mary Robinson's refusal to cover her head when meeting Pope John Paul II? (She also wore a sprig of mimosa, which is apparently a feminist symbol. I might add that soon afterwards she was photographed taking off her shoes when visiting a mosque, suggesting Muslim sensibilities deserve more respect than those of the Pope.) I would say Inda was more obnoxious, because at least Robinson was making a point and it was clear that she was doing so. Inda comes across as a sullen teenager who just can't be bovvered.
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 27, 2012 13:45:46 GMT
Today's CATHOLIC VOICE has Inda's playpen antics on its front page, and a couple of pages of coverage inside. The IRISH CATHOLIC has a mildly tut-tutting editorial and Mary Kenny also mentions Inda's behaviour in her column. Still nothing in the IRISH TIMES.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Oct 8, 2012 15:35:40 GMT
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Post by maolsheachlann on Oct 8, 2012 20:27:38 GMT
I didn't even bother reading the article when I saw the author.
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 8, 2012 20:57:37 GMT
The usual Hans Kung theme; "How dare the pope say he is infallible/ I alone am infallible, and all would go well if everyone would do exactly as I tell them". I suggest he should head off to meet some of those nice Salafists and lecture them on his suggestions for a new improved version of Islam. (Yes, he really has produced such suggestions - he doesn't confine himself to suggesting how Catholicism should be "improved" he wants to "improve" everyone else's religion as well.) Bishop Smith of Meath recalls that Kung was very unpopular at Vatican II because he couldn't be bothered taking part in the work of drafting conciliar documents as he was unwilling to compromise his views by engaging in give-and-take.
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 13, 2012 22:15:49 GMT
Today's edition of MOLOCH'S HERALD now published in Tara Street has both an article on assisted suicide and a puff profile of Dawn Purvis, head of the new Belfast abortion clinic. Its attitude might be summed up in the phrase "Double Death".
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Post by tobias on Oct 16, 2012 20:52:59 GMT
Interesting article by Mary McAleese in the Irish Times on Saturday re. the Catholic Church. I tend to agree with her.
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 17, 2012 17:53:45 GMT
Which of her statements do you agree with and why?
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Post by tobias on Oct 18, 2012 18:48:32 GMT
A) All of the article and B) Because I think she is right.
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 18, 2012 22:29:58 GMT
Why do you think she's right? Give your reasoning, as they used to say in maths class.
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Post by tobias on Oct 19, 2012 13:13:13 GMT
I was hopeless at maths! If you want an academic discourse on the article then I will have to disappoint. I am not an academic just an ordinary Joe Soap trying to see the wood rather than the trees. Therefore I dont think I would have the firepower to enter the ring with either your good self or Mary. However, I do get the sneaking impression that you may not agree with her. Am I right at least about that?
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 23, 2012 10:32:40 GMT
I hope to post some comments on MAry McAleese's article later today, so I am linking to it for reference. www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2012/1013/1224325214680.htmlIn the meantime, I have some comments for Tobias. You came onto this board announcing that you agreed with Mary McAleese's article, but when you were challenged you refused to give reasons for your view, protesting that you are "only an ordinary Joe Soap" and not an academic, and that you were "no good at maths". This is not a matter of academic and non-academic. If you can write a coherent sentence, you can construct an argument; anyone who can think can accept or reject certain views - you don't have to be an academic - and if you want to take part in a discussion board you have to be willing to articulate why you believe what you believe. If you are not willing to think about it on any level further than "it's in the IRISH TIMES therefore its truth can be taken for granted, therefore I need not bother explaining why I believe it and can content myself with taunting those who oppose it, much as I might go down to the zoo and rattle a stick along the bars of the monkey house" then you are simply wasting everyone's time.
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