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Post by eircomnet on Mar 31, 2008 23:54:34 GMT
Fr O Rourke will be celebrating a TLM in Glengoole Church near Urlingford, Co Kilkenny at 7.00 pm on the first Thursday of every month, beginning next Thursday.
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Post by robert on Apr 1, 2008 11:17:54 GMT
Why Thursday?. That won't fulfil a Sunday obligation.It is positive that Fr. O'Rourke wishes to celebrate a Traditional Mass but where do the people go on a Sunday?.
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Post by eircomnet on Apr 1, 2008 17:07:54 GMT
Just to clarify, Fr O Rourke of Glengoole Church is in the diocese of Cashel & Emily.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Apr 1, 2008 18:38:26 GMT
Why Thursday?. That won't fulfil a Sunday obligation.It is positive that Fr. O'Rourke wishes to celebrate a Traditional Mass but where do the people go on a Sunday?. There is a similar situation in Cork. Before Summorum Pontificum, Bishop Buckley gave consent to a monthly Mass on the First Saturday in St Peter and Paul's church. But as far as I know there is no regular Sunday Mass in the Extraordinary Form in Cork apart from the SSPX Mass in Shanakiel.
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Post by santiago on Apr 1, 2008 22:37:19 GMT
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 10, 2008 10:01:23 GMT
Well, we always start with baby steps - still First Fridays and First Saturdays have a devotional significance which First Thursdays don't. However, it might be an idea to e-mail the Latin Mass Society of Ireland webmaster (see www.latinmassireland.org; the webmaster's address is colmgren@indigo.ie) to get him to include this Mass on the list of traditional Masses in Ireland on the site: this is the first place a lot of people look when looking for trad Masses in Ireland. In Christo Rege, Alaisdir Ua Seaghdha Iomanai ar an gclai.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 10, 2008 12:50:56 GMT
Just occurs to me, the PP of Glengoole has the same name as the Dominican priest in Tralee who says the monthly extraordinary form there - they're both Father John O'Rourke. A coincidence?
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 10, 2008 12:55:02 GMT
To my knowledge the LMS of England & Wales seminars are normally reserved to priests working in England and Wales, so in the circumstances, this is impossible. However, I hear the Latin Mass Society of Ireland will run a priest training seminar of its own later this year.
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Post by santiago on Apr 10, 2008 17:30:21 GMT
That's good news. Well done the LMSI.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 10:09:38 GMT
If you ask me the biggest barrier to the growth of the EF in Ireland is lack of priests on the ground who are ready, willing and able to say the TLM.
Alaisdir Ua Seaghdha Iomanai ar an gclai
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 19, 2008 8:28:27 GMT
I received this post this morning from the President of the LMSI:
The course for priests wishing to learn to say Mass in the extraordinary form which was originally scheduled for 29-31 July will now take place between Monday 11 August and Wednesday 13 August. The venue will be the Capuchin Friary in Ards, Co Donegal. The cost per priest will be €150 which will include two days' full board in Ards Friary. Interested parties are advised to contact Proinnsias Ó Muireagáin, Áras Fatima, Brennter, Dunkineely, Co Donegal. Tel./Fax.: 074-9737307, e-mail: [ftp]pomuireagain@eircom.net[/ftp]
Peadar Laighléis.
I presume the details given are sufficient for interested parties to follow up.
In Christo Rege,
Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha.
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Post by hibernicus on Aug 19, 2011 11:25:41 GMT
An interesting discussion of the hostility shown towards seminarians who display an interest in the EF - particularly valuable because it admits the faults are not on one side and that traditionalist seminarians can succumb to duplicity, autodidacticism and other problematic attitudes www.chantcafe.com/2011/08/why-are-seminaries-afraid-of.htmlA discussion of the above by WIlliam Oddie, emphasising the startling point that some diocese have actually removed their seminarians from seminaries which offer instruction in the EF, and that even those interested in saying the OF in Latin are treated as suspect: EXTRACT The hostility, however, wasn’t simply towards what we now know as the Extraordinary form, but also towards even the Novus Ordo in Latin, to which many ordinary Parishioners (like me for one) are attracted if for no other reason than their distaste for the cack-handed English translation from which we are soon to be, and not before time, so gloriously liberated (“And also with you” indeed: yuk, even after 20 years). But willingness quite within the rules to celebrate the Ordinary form in Latin was (and still is, I suspect) in many dioceses something to be rooted out, to the extent that the liberal ex-nuns and other lay malcontents who are so often made responsible for weeding out undesirables from the diocesan ministry use it as a criterion: a friend of mine who teaches theology in Oxford (no names, no pack drill) supervising the doctoral thesis of a young man certain of his vocation to the priesthood told me in exasperation that he had been turned down by a lay busybody working for one diocese because he foolishly answered a trick question designed to elicit whether he was favourably disposed to the Mass in Latin: Did he have any hostility to it? Answer “no” and you are (or were) out. Traditionalist candidates for the priesthood have to be as wily as serpents as well as innocent as doves as they go through the diocesan machinery. Maybe it’s different now, who knows? But I have my doubts. END OF EXTRACT www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/08/18/why-do-our-bishops-pull-out-candidates-for-the-priesthood-from-seminaries-which-teach-the-extraordinary-form-why-are-they-so-intent-on-defying-the-pope/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 23:22:57 GMT
Ok 3rd time lucky, as an aside is anyone else having issues with Perlico broadband. I am going to play devil's advocate here. I know one man who was asked to leave seminary in England along with a host of his pro EF peers. He loved that form of Mass, the otherness of it, the drama spoke of the drama of God. Or something. Anyway he was prolife pro Rosary pro EF Mass pro Pope, all the pros you could want. We were shocked at his expulsion and he felt it was because he stood up for his peers and their stance on fidelity to Church. We all agreed, damned liberals! Two years later M'laddo is out and proud, never attends Mass and has become increasingly anti Church and provocative with his homosexual lifetstyle. His dad was a drunk, mam passivity itself, a broken home. I also know some pro EF Mass men, young enough, with odd attitudes towards women (no college ed, don't work, no trousers, home school the children only). Some of those things aren't bad in themselves but it shows a fear of women and makes me wonder why I never meet the likes of that at NO Mass. I don't want to offend any men here but we are not producing a great calibre of men, generally, in this country today. As for those attracted to the EF Mass well the odd ones and the wrong 'uns like my friends above are going to be among those devotees and some of them will be attracted to seminary. It's the well adjusted young men in our parishes we should encourage and embrace, not the kooks. Pro EF men should not be accepted de facto, we accepted all candidates before and look where we are now... It makes sense that some men with issues are going to seminary and some will be attracted to the Tridentine. But those being asked to leave are just as likely to be expelled for their psychological problems as for their preferences at Mass. We can't assume that's the case, because we may be missing an important clue as to how the devil will next infiltrate the seminary... We need good strong smart well adjusted men, pro EF devotees doesn't necessarily guarantee that as some people believe. I'm not saying there isn't an push against the SP but it's not always the case.
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Post by hibernicus on Aug 26, 2011 21:47:14 GMT
Good point, Banaltra. It is certainly the case that people with psychological problems are often attracted to highly ritualistic forms of religion for various reasons (it gives them a sense of control and belonging to a select group of initiates, for example, in much the same way that some people are Trekkies or obsessed with Lord of the Rings). At the same time, psychology is not an exact science and I suspect we are all of us to some extent neurotic or can be seen as such - that doesn't mean we are all incapable of functioning or not responsible for our actions. There is unquestionably a strong tendency among theological liberals to assume that conservative/traditionalist views can ONLY be due to psychological illness (on the assumption that there can be no valid reasons for taking the traditionalist viewpoint). The ACP, if you look at their website, quite often remark that traditionalists are simply insecure and nostalgic, they rant about silk vestments and incense as if there was nothing more to the TLM. I remember a young priest from Carlow who often features in ACP commentary denouncing the recent LMSI High Mass at Maynooth as being like "something out of a horror film". This was the standard form of worship in the Latin Rite for hundreds of years, and he reacted ONLY with revulsion and regarded it as so monstrous that he could not even be bothered to understand the views and feelings of the attendees before denouncing it.
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 21, 2011 23:25:02 GMT
Fr Ray Blake argues that the extended scriptural readings of the OF Mass have not in fact produced better congregational understanding of the Scripture, and discusses why this might be so. He suggests the vernacular liturgy tends to become banal and to lose a sense of the presence of the sacred. Agree or disagree, it's an attempt to articulate a response which goes beyond "Old Mass good, New Mass bad" (or vice versa). This is something we should all try to do - to understand. The combox debate is also interesting. marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2011/09/word-of-god.htmlmarymagdalen.blogspot.com/2011/09/word-of-god.html
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