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Post by hibernicus on Sept 17, 2010 11:07:43 GMT
It seemed fairly objective in its treatment, which surprised me. I thought they'd spin it as "this shows how divisive the OF is, so let's suppress it". I must say the reported response by the archdiocese of tuam seems to treat it very lightly.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 1, 2010 13:20:50 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 8, 2010 11:57:50 GMT
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Dec 16, 2010 16:02:54 GMT
Am I the only Catholic in the world to detest the new practice of playing CDs over a church's PA system both during and outside Mass, sometimes in lieu of having a church choir. I would be very surprised if there is any demand for this.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 20:49:36 GMT
I realise this is an old thread but yes Askel, it drives me up the wall. I went to Mass early yesterday specifically to pray the final day of the Divine Mercy Chaplet before the tabernacle and ended up with Faith of Our Fathers ringing in my head. I like songs that remind me of primary school but not when there's other stuff to focus on (little things like praying and basking in the presence of Jesus).
It's an unfortunate indication of how we live today. Nobody believes that we can sit still for 10 minutes without being entertained in some way hence the playlist. Offer it up or blow the fusebox seem to be the only options!
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Post by hibernicus on May 5, 2011 19:33:03 GMT
Yes, me too - it tends to distaance the congregation still further from participation and turn it into a concert. Oddly enough, Bernard MacLaverty's novel GRACE (by an ex-Catholic about a musician) makes a similar remark about the replacement of real church bells by a recording as being symptomatic of the replacement of authentic faith by a synthetic substitute.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 11, 2011 20:48:21 GMT
Recently a letter was published in the IRISH CATHOLIC and a couple of other places arguing that it was a bad thing that Polish Catholics in Ireland should self-segregate from the wider Catholic community and arguing that this would not have arisen if the Mass was still said in Latin. I am sure this gentleman means well but he is quite wrong. In nineteenth-century North America for example it was standard practice to have parishes based on different ethnic groups (If you've ever visited the church now used by the ICKSP/ICRSS in St Louis, Missouri, you will find that it was built for German immigrants in the nineteenth century and all the inscriptions are in German!) Parish life is not just about Mass in isolation - it also involves extra-liturgical devotions, the administration of the Sacraments, which is best done in the language best understood by the people involved, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2011 19:00:29 GMT
Agreed. In addition if you see the amount of young married Polish couples in Saint Saviour's Church with their gaggles of children attending Mass in their own language he would disagree with making them conform. A couple of years ago I dropped in to the church on Gardiner Street and saw a pew of young men waiting for confession from the Polish priest. When was the last time you saw that happening with Irishmen? Cater for them, leave them be and thank God there are pockets of faith still in Ireland. They're living their faith, leave 'em be.
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Post by hibernicus on Jul 28, 2011 21:20:35 GMT
One interesting sign which I may have mentioned in another thread is that a stage adaptation of Kate O'Brien's novel THE ANTE-ROOM was recently staged in Limerick. THose who are familiar with the novel will know that the thoughts and actions of the central characters (a woman who is attracted to her sister's husband, and the said husband, who is attracted to her) are heavily influenced by Catholic belief. In the adaptation (which was set in the present day) the characters were presented as entirely secular in belief (even though this made their failure to have an affair much less convincing) and the only character who displayed any religious belief was a Polish nurse. This is exactly the dominant manner of treating religious belief in contemporary drama (at least in the English-speaking world). Religion is presented as non-existent or delusional except where it is associated with minority ethnic groups (eg black gospel singers) or exotic subcultures (the Amish in WITNESS, the monks in OF GODS AND MEN). The assumption is that while it may be observed, even perhaps sympathised with from a distance, "People like us" (the implied audience) cannot seriously believe it.
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 12, 2011 21:10:53 GMT
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Post by humphrey on Nov 27, 2011 12:40:34 GMT
Anyone noticed that the Nicene creed been replaced by the Apostles creed at mass since the new responses came into force?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 22:13:40 GMT
No we're still using the Nicene, I will be at 2 different churches over the next 2 Sundays so maybe it's just my church being good? I'll report back. By the way, our church is usually 60%-80% full of a Sunday depending on the weather. Today there were people standing at the back it was so full. The average age was far far from 70 too, it was incredible to see. Perhaps people are genuinely interested in the reforms. Please God they'll come back.
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Post by hibernicus on Dec 16, 2011 21:19:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 21:00:59 GMT
Anyone noticed that the Nicene creed been replaced by the Apostles creed at mass since the new responses came into force? Humphrey, I've been at 3 different churches over the last few weeks. The Nicene Creed was the one used every time. Are ye still praying the wrong Creed at Mass or was it just a blip?
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 2, 2012 23:19:56 GMT
I've been trying to get to daily Mass at St Kevin's for Lent (and hopefully to continue afterwards) and I find that at the 8 a.m Mass the Readings are given only in Latin (whereas at Sunday Mass they are in both Latin and English). Given that the purpose of the readings is to proclaim the Word, is there anyone out there who thinks it would be better to have them given at the daily Mass in both English and Latin - or even in English only?
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