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Post by monkeyman on Jun 16, 2008 18:34:48 GMT
Has anyone read the recent sermon by Bishop Bernard Fellay of the Society of St Pius X??....God I feel sick at reading it...God forgive him for his brass neck...damned protestant!! Here is some of the muck he mentioned "And now, we have a perfectly liberal Pope, my very dear brothers. As he goes to this country [the United States] which is founded upon Masonic principles, that is, of a revolution, of a rebellion against God. And, well, he expressed his admiration, his fascination before this country which has decided to grant liberty to all religions. He goes so far as to condemn the confessional State. And he is called traditional! And this is true, this is true: he is perfectly liberal, perfectly contradictory. He has some good sides, the sides which we hail, for which we rejoice, such as what he has done for the Traditional liturgy. What a mystery, my very dear brothers, what a mystery!"
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jun 16, 2008 19:41:32 GMT
It shows how sadly the SSPX has ended up, just as a cranky inward-looking sect. I know you have your doubts about Archbishop Lefebvre but I don't think this is what he had in mind. It makes it more important to offer a parachute to those who want to come back into full communion. Imagine all those young priests and all those active followers reinvigorating the Church.
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Post by mcallister on Jun 17, 2008 10:47:22 GMT
Has anyone read the recent sermon by Bishop Bernard Fellay of the Society of St Pius X??....God I feel sick at reading it...God forgive him for his brass neck...damned protestant!! And you monkeyman, have posted in an imprudent and uncharitable way. Whatever your personal opinion Bishop Fellay is a bshop and should be recorded some respect. Do you usually go around calling people 'damned Protestants'. How ecumenical and liberal you are! How would the Pope feel about such a spirited defense, I wonder?
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 17, 2008 11:26:09 GMT
McAllister,
Bernard Fellay is a bishop - yes. But Catholics are not obliged to accord respect to excommicates, and Bernard Fellay was excommunicated on his ordination as bishop, just as he was automatically suspended on his ordination to the priesthood and before that, on his ordination to the diaconate.
And when Bishop Fellay begins to show charity and some form of fidelity to the Vicar of Christ on Earth, the rest of us will show him charity. Until then, it is up to Bishop Fellay to do something about his irregular canonical status. He has never done this.
Askel
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 17, 2008 11:28:44 GMT
It shows how sadly the SSPX has ended up, just as a cranky inward-looking sect. I know you have your doubts about Archbishop Lefebvre but I don't think this is what he had in mind. It makes it more important to offer a parachute to those who want to come back into full communion. Imagine all those young priests and all those active followers reinvigorating the Church. It's hard to say what the Archbishop had in mind, but this is what we have. And Fellay is regarded as one of the more moderate SSPX people. When a group cut themselves off from unity with the Supreme Pontiff, regardless of how good their intentions may be, they do so at their own peril, and are in danger of ending up, as Monkeyman has put it, as protestants.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jun 17, 2008 13:08:32 GMT
Given the respect Bishop Fellay is showing to the Pope, McAllister, who could blame an ordinary Catholic like Monkeyman for witholding respect for him as a bishop, a distinction he did not aquire legitimately.
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Post by monkeyman on Jun 17, 2008 16:32:42 GMT
Has anyone read the recent sermon by Bishop Bernard Fellay of the Society of St Pius X??....God I feel sick at reading it...God forgive him for his brass neck...damned protestant!! And you monkeyman, have posted in an imprudent and uncharitable way. Whatever your personal opinion Bishop Fellay is a bshop and should be recorded some respect. Do you usually go around calling people 'damned Protestants'. How ecumenical and liberal you are! How would the Pope feel about such a spirited defense, I wonder? Haha!! have I begob? Did I not invoke the mercy of the Triune God down upon this insolent cleric?...hardly uncharitable...well it warms the cockles of my heart that Switzerland still gives good men to the service of the Church-I of course speak of the Swiss Guard...I have no real problems in submitting myself to the Vicar of Christ I wouldnt bet my bottom dollar on Bernard Fellay....I suppose in the time of Luther would of have been rushing around encouraging the use of Fr Martin Luther OSA ? I'm all for that..hahaahaaha
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 18, 2008 10:18:37 GMT
Monkeyman, it took a generation or so to realise Fr Luther OSA had become a Protestant and the new SJs got to work to see no body would make the same mistake again.
After Vatican I, the objectors to Papal Infallibility insisted they were the genuine Catholics and it took more than a generation for them to slide off the wall.
With the SSPX (pixies to you and me), things are similar. They LOOK Catholic. Most people are fooled: I was fooled for a bit. But they are kicking against a central and essential point of Catholicism - visible unity with the Pope of Rome. They are gradually losing their Catholic character, in spite of emphasising it with heavy indulgence in Catholic externals and if they are not reconciled very soon, in a generation or so (when the young people essentially brought up in SSPX communities establish their own families following intra-community marriages) it will be clear they are another, separate Christian denomination.
It is sad, but we have enough evidence in the 2000 year history of the Church to see it coming.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jun 18, 2008 19:51:23 GMT
They are gradually losing their Catholic character, ... and if they are not reconciled very soon, in a generation or so (when the young people essentially brought up in SSPX communities establish their own families following intra-community marriages) it will be clear they are another, separate Christian denomination. That is my fear too, and it would be a sad loss to Traditionalism in the Church.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 19, 2008 12:20:42 GMT
They are gradually losing their Catholic character, ... and if they are not reconciled very soon, in a generation or so (when the young people essentially brought up in SSPX communities establish their own families following intra-community marriages) it will be clear they are another, separate Christian denomination. That is my fear too, and it would be a sad loss to Traditionalism in the Church. Paradoxically, that is why we should worry about the SSPX
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Post by monkeyman on Jun 27, 2008 0:50:08 GMT
I've never been too fond of this term Traditionalist anyway. Member of the Catholic Church is enough for "moi".
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jul 1, 2008 9:39:45 GMT
Well, it seems Bishop Fellay is not for turning. There's no deal.
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