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Post by Verbum Dei on Jul 4, 2008 16:11:33 GMT
Hello all, I'm currently reading an excellent book called "The Fulfillment of All Desire" by Ralph Martin. It's of of many books which deals with the road to perfection (in love of God and neighbour). I also read "Fire Within" by Fr. Thomas Dubay which is similar. Ralph follows a three phase approach (purgative, illuminative and unitive) and compares this with the Teresian 7 mansion approach. He draws on scripture and the writings of Ss. Bernard of Clairvaux, Teresa of Avila, Terese of Lisieux, John of the Cross and Francis de Sales. The chapters from the book are as follows: 1. Called to holiness 2. An overview of the journey. 3. Awakening and conversion. 4. The biblical world-view of the saints. 5. The transformation of thought, desire and action. 6. The struggle against sin. 7. The importance of prayer. 8. Temptation and trials. 9. A certain stability. 10. Growing in freedom. 11. Growing in love. 12. Growing in prayer. 13. Help from Heaven. 14. A deeper purification. 15. Deep union. 16. The fruits of union. 17. There's always more. - Final encouragement. Is anyone else consciously following this kind of roadmap/method? I'd like to hear from you if you are! It would be good to compare notes. God bless, Noel.
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Post by Verbum Dei on Jul 15, 2008 16:10:53 GMT
Nobody?
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Post by falconer on Jul 15, 2008 20:52:24 GMT
Nope!
You'll find the only really useful roadmaps come from the Ordanance Survey. At least with them if you arrive in the wrong place it's because you read it wrong not because you're a failure plus they're up to date so you don't have to rely on the directions of long dead mapmakers.
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Post by Verbum Dei on Jul 16, 2008 10:25:16 GMT
Nope! You'll find the only really useful roadmaps come from the Ordanance Survey. At least with them if you arrive in the wrong place it's because you read it wrong not because you're a failure plus they're up to date so you don't have to rely on the directions of long dead mapmakers. Would I be right in saying you're not Catholic?
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Post by falconer on Jul 16, 2008 21:07:00 GMT
Nope! You'll find the only really useful roadmaps come from the Ordanance Survey. At least with them if you arrive in the wrong place it's because you read it wrong not because you're a failure plus they're up to date so you don't have to rely on the directions of long dead mapmakers. Would I be right in saying you're not Catholic? You must be new: I'm from the Heretics Faith Testing Service.
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Post by Verbum Dei on Jul 16, 2008 21:18:25 GMT
This thread is taking a weird turn.
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Post by irishknight on Jul 16, 2008 21:22:52 GMT
Indeed. Maybe we were sharing a collective conscience?
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jul 17, 2008 2:18:18 GMT
I'm currently reading an excellent book called "The Fulfillment of All Desire" by Ralph Martin. It's of of many books which deals with the road to perfection (in love of God and neighbour). I also read "Fire Within" by Fr. Thomas Dubay which is similar. [edit] ... Is anyone else consciously following this kind of roadmap/method? I'd like to hear from you if you are! It would be good to compare notes. Sorry Noel, you have been unfortunate enough to draw the attention of our atheist friends, God bless them all and lighten their darkness. No, I'm not personally following a method of this kind. Let's hope however that some of our Catholic members are, or know about it, and will have something to say.
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Post by Noelfitz on Jul 18, 2008 0:43:52 GMT
Noel,
from another Noel.
I submitted a post in good faith and got the same type of flippant replies you got.
I hope you are not upset.
I imagine there are some here who are seriously interested in Irish Catholicism.
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Post by falconer on Jul 18, 2008 9:17:24 GMT
Noel, from another Noel. I submitted a post in good faith and got the same type of flippant replies you got. Is flippant a word for anyone who does'nt agree with your point of view? I imagine there are some here who are seriously interested in Irish Catholicism. .......apparently not enough to answer the OP. This thread would be dead only for me. You should support each other a bit more. Safety in numbers......
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Post by falconer on Jul 18, 2008 10:36:21 GMT
And Verbum, lest you spent countless hours and a ton of shekels, before you buy a book question the title: The Fulfillment of All Desire" by Ralph Martin How to achieve Happiness by Fake Maloney Cosmic Ordering by Char Latan The Secret by ? (some secret when you can buy it anywhere in the world) ....any books with titles similar to those are complete bunk. They simply put an unreachable carrot on the end of a very long and costly stick. There is no such thing for any human anywhere that constitutes "the fulfillment of all desire". There is no such thing as a complete, permanent, applicable to everything, state of "happiness" achievable by any one single individual. Unless of course you resort to ghosts or invented characters or the fictional. The problem there is you're not a ghost or a fictional character nor are the people you have to deal with everyday. Save your money.
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Post by falconer on Jul 18, 2008 13:10:52 GMT
This thread is taking a weird turn. Verbum a book you might want to read is in Easons at the moment: Counter-Knowledge by Damian Thompson. If you go up to Reads in Nassau St. you can buy it for €8. It puts the whole self help industry in the frame. Reality is not that scary when you get used to it. It's not enough to know what you're being told and by whom but why they are telling you what they are. The "how to cure all your ills" market is worth billions and turns out titles by the truck load. If one of them worked it would be proven by now.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jul 26, 2008 19:44:25 GMT
[Verbum a book you might want to read is in Easons at the moment: Counter-Knowledge by Damian Thompson. Falconer, I assume you know that Damian Thompson is editor in chief of the Catholic Herald and runs an entertainingly truculent blog on the Daily Telegraph website with a Traditionalist Catholic theme.
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Post by falconer on Jul 27, 2008 13:46:49 GMT
[Verbum a book you might want to read is in Easons at the moment: Counter-Knowledge by Damian Thompson. Falconer, I assume you know that Damian Thompson is editor in chief of the Catholic Herald and runs an entertainingly truculent blog on the Daily Telegraph website with a Traditionalist Catholic theme. I know: that information is on the first page inside the cover. He's written a very readable book on the subject of counter-knowledge, religious extremism and new age bunk. The problem has been dealt with in many books before his by the likes of Richard Dawkins et al and even one by Derren Brown called Trick of the Mind. However they might not be as easy to read (I is tryin' to cater for a religious audience ya know)
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jul 31, 2008 18:31:09 GMT
[quote author=royalosiodhachain board=general thread=147 post=1839 time=1217362299Falconer, If you will, give us your definition of religious extremism.[/quote] Better still, can you quote Thompson's definition?
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