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Post by hibernicus on Nov 12, 2022 15:17:05 GMT
I generally prefer not to publicise the looniest of looney trad-dom, but three articles on OnePeterFive are so egregious I'll make an exception. Here we have someone who had been a trad (SSPX variety) for all of two years breathing dark hints about Jewish world conspiracies, producing a highly selective version of Russian history and idealisation of Tsarist autocracy (one notable example is that she mentions Tsar Paul's fighting Napoleon, but not that he did a volte-face and allied with him; she complains that Soloviev does not prove his statement that the Tsars treated the Orthodox Church as a branch of the secular civil service, without realising that he is referring to the fact that from the C17 the church was governed by a lay civil servant, the Procurator of the Holy Synod - asking Soloviev to "prove" his statement is like asking for "proof" that the Pope lives in the Vatican City State) and saying almost nothing about the history of Ukraine (such minor details as Tsarist persecution of the Greek Catholics go unmentioned) or the nature of the Putin regime, which is as likely to restore Christendom as the Mafia are to become Carthusians. OnePeterFive has been drifting into monarchist lalaland for some time, but this is a new low.
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Post by hibernicus on Dec 14, 2022 23:17:34 GMT
May I just say that the Ukrainian government's suppression of the Moscow Patriarchate Orthodox Church because significant elements within it support the Russian invasion is an outrage comparable to some degree to the Soviet suppression of the Greek Catholic Church because significant elements within it collaborated with the Nazis. The decision of the Latvian and Lithuanian governments to declare their Orthodox Churches autocephalous from Moscow by a vote in parliament, and to give the government a veto over the appointment of Orthodox leaders likewise - especially since this means state governments elected by non-Orthodox majorities are dictating the internal governance of the Orthodox churches. None of this makes the Russian invasion of Ukraine any less a crime or alters the fact that Russia is a kleptocratic dictatorship reflecting deep flaws in Russian culture - but it's necessary to speak truth.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Dec 15, 2022 19:13:43 GMT
Agree absolutely. Can you imagine the outcry had Dáil Éireann took control of the Church of Ireland in this manner? In Latvia and Lithuania, the Orthodox are mainly ethnic Russians; in Ukraine, it's a lot more complicated. I also would say Kiril's support of Putin is appalling.
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Post by annie on Jan 3, 2023 15:28:52 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Sept 24, 2023 16:31:57 GMT
Here's an egregious example of the tendency of some critics of the Ukraine war to adopt the Russian perspective lock stock and barrel. The writer compares the Russian invasion of Ukraine to the French decision to refuse a German offer of allowing them to remain neutral and going to war in 1914 since the alternative was national humiliation and subordination to Germany. Let's list some of the many dodgy statements: (1) The parallel with France in 1914 leaves out the fact that France had a binding alliance with Russia and had already encouraged Russia to take a strong line against the Central Powers. France could not have pulled out without breaking its major alliance in the most egregious fashion. (It would be equally possible to suggest that the parallel goes the other way, with Russia as Germany. Indeed it could still be argued that given the longterm results of their decision, France might have done better to accept humiliation and subordination.) (2) There is no discussion at all of the nature of the present Russian regime and the ways in which its behaviour encourages its neighbours to join NATO. Part at least of the motivation of Ukrainian nationalists is the belief that alignment with the West stands for freedom, economic development and the rule of law whereas alignment with Russia means gangsterism, corruption and autocracy. Whatever may be said of the former, it is very hard to deny the latter. (3) Post-2014 Ukrainian nationalism is described as "strident" with some justification - but how are we to describe a Russian nationalism which denies the very existence of a distinctive Ukrainian identity, whether the Ukrainians themselves want to be Russians or not, equates belief in such an identity with Nazism, and claims the Russians are entitled to crush it by whatever means necessary, including methods defined as crimes against humanity under international law (e.g. the abduction of children to be brought up as members of the dominant nationality)> crisismagazine.com/opinion/the-choice-between-war-and-humiliation
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 14, 2024 0:59:39 GMT
Here we see an Orthodox blogger salivating with glee over the prospect of the Greek Catholic Church being suppressed/driven into exile in an Ukraine conquered by Russia: www.monomakhos.com/double-dealing-in-ukraine/Pope Francis' white flag comments (to be fair, I think he meant a truce rather than surrender) spread alarm amongst the UGCC, given the record of Russian oppression they have experienced: www.ncregister.com/commentaries/pope-francis-white-flag-ukraine-de-souzaI am worried about what the West may be getting itself into in Ukraine, but can't forget what defeat would mean for Ukrainians. Can these be reconciled?
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Mar 14, 2024 14:26:46 GMT
I would say that Orthodox blogger is practically gloating. And just remember the word 'Uniate!' is a term of contempt Orthodox have for Eastern Catholics, corresponding to 'papist', so he really is showing his disdain for the Greek Catholics in Ukraine (and no doubt elsewhere).
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 15, 2024 0:27:17 GMT
I know Uniate is a term of abuse, so I try not to use it. The blogger seems to be an example of the zeal of the convert.
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