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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 16:36:29 GMT
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Aug 19, 2015 7:48:36 GMT
Have to admit that Milo Yiannopulous is new to me. I read the last article Antaine cited and it is very frank and "in your face". I don't know how it would stand up to rigourous analysis, but he certainly is making a point.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Aug 19, 2015 7:53:28 GMT
Reviewed this tread. Andy Warhol was actually an Eastern Rite Catholic (to be specific, an Eastern Catholic in communion with Rome - the term eastern rite is applied to Eastern and Oriental Orthodox here on a regular basis) and a very pious one at that.
The name Milo Yiannopulous sounds Greek, but most Catholics in Greece and of Greek origin are Latin-rite (hence Greek Catholic can be very misleading). A few Greek islands are almost exclusively Catholic due to rule by some Italian city state, probably since the Fourth Crusade. Anyone know the background?
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Post by maolsheachlann on Aug 19, 2015 8:39:42 GMT
My office mate told me that Andy Warhol created either the largest or one of the largest collections of religious art by an individual artist.
Admittedly, the claim is less impressive when you think about what he called "art" and how he created it, but even still...
A history of modern and post-modern art from a religious perspective would, I think, be very interesting. Many of the major figures seem to have been devout, in their own way-- Dali and Rothko spring to mind.
I was quite impressed by that Milos fellow. He doesn't seem to be just a contrarian or a clown, though he obviously enjoys stirring it up. He's quite insightful on many subjects.
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Post by hibernicus on Aug 19, 2015 20:26:49 GMT
Rothko was I think "spiritual but not religious"; it's sad that he committed suicide. Dali was a supremely creepy individual, though CHRIST OF ST JOHN OF THE CROSS is impressive. I think I linked elsewhere to a post on the SCottish Catholic Lazarus blog which pointed out that Paul Cezanne was a practising Catholic and that art historians tend to gloss over this when discussing him.
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Post by pugio on Aug 20, 2015 9:51:36 GMT
I think people like Yiannopoulos are probably far more effective at undermining progressive secularist complacency and arrogance than people who appear like cardboard cut-out Christians. Your average liberal culture warrior doesn't really know how to respond to a palaeoconservative man who wears pearl bracelets and cheerfully admits to his homosexual tastes. At the very least, the former is forced to engage with the latter's ideas rather than resorting to tired caricature.
There may be a lesson here. The decline of orthodox Christianity should not be welcomed, of course, but perhaps it might be used to advantage. The smaller a tendency it becomes, the more it will find itself aligned with eccentric, free-thinking, and interesting people, giving it a slightly exotic flavour again... or maybe that's complete wishful thinking on my part.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Aug 20, 2015 10:44:17 GMT
I think you're right, Pugio.
Once, when I was going to attend (and attempt to speak) at a TV debate about gay marriage, I seriously thought about investing in a rainbow tie for the evening. Why should we let the gay movement own the rainbow?
It's funny how this perception of Catholicism as being exotic and interesting DOES seem to adhere to Catholicism in the UK, though not in Ireland. You'd think that secularisation was so far advanced by now that all of those associations would have dissipated, but it doesn't seem to have done so.
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Post by hibernicus on Aug 20, 2015 19:40:56 GMT
The Bohemian element in Catholic culture is well-established; there has been a long succession of aesthetes of dubious sexuality attached to British Catholicism, in uneasy coexistence with the Irish Liverpool slummies and the like. Some of them were genuinely pious, some of them were simply depraved poseurs who also dabbled in the occult (e.g. the ghastly misogynist Montagu Summers who used to claim that the women executed by witch-hunters were genuinely guilty of what they were accused of), many were somewhere in between. In Scandinavia, where there are very few Catholics, quite a few aesthetes flirt with Catholicism for similar reasons. The Danish film director Lars von Trier announced some years back that he had become a Catholic, in between calling himself a nazi, making films in which Charlotte Ginsburg lectures the audience on her orgasms, and so forth. Based on what I know of his work, all I would say is that he's no Sigrid Undset.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Aug 31, 2015 14:24:10 GMT
Did you know that Stalin's daughter Svetlana converted to Catholicism, after a long time dabbling in other religions? I didn't know that.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Sept 17, 2015 15:26:13 GMT
I have had a curiosity about prolific authors all my life. The eccentric Henry Darger (died 1973) wrote a novel, The Story of the Vivian Girls, which is fifteen thousand manuscript pages long, and which I've seen claimed as the longest work of fiction in the English language. It's never been published. He was also an artist and his works are apparently much sought after today. He was a daily Mass-goer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger
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Post by hibernicus on Oct 27, 2015 20:02:55 GMT
In relation to Andy Warhol, who has featured on this thread, I recently found out that he didn't just attend Mass regularly, he also used to help out at a church soup kitchen. That makes me more inclined to suspect his religion was more than a pose. Who knows the heart? God knows.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 23, 2015 21:44:54 GMT
This article on the early German film adaptation of DRACULA, NOSFERATU- A SYMPHONY OF HORRORS mentions that Bram Stoker's widow Florence converted to Catholicism in 1904 (which was before her husband's death) and became a regular at the Brompton ORatory. This surprises me slightly, since she came from an urban middle-class Protestant Dublin background which in the late Victorian era would have been more hostile to Catholicism than its English equivalent: www.crisismagazine.com/2015/nosferatu-and-the-triumph-of-the-immaculate-heart
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Post by maolsheachlann on Mar 20, 2016 17:23:47 GMT
From the Wikipedia entry on Rock Hudson:
Religion re-entered Hudson's life in his last weeks. Although he was raised a Roman Catholic, Hudson hadn't practiced in years and had come to regard himself as an atheist. But on September 25, 1985, at his publicist Tom Clark's request, a priest visited. Hudson made his confession and received Communion. Then he was administered the last rites.[26]
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Post by hibernicus on May 24, 2016 19:49:21 GMT
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 3, 2017 19:25:41 GMT
The famous militant suffragette Emmeline Pankhurst had three daughters (all active in the movement) and quarreled with two of them. Adela, the youngest, was sent off to Australia with £20. She married an Irish-Australian trade unionist and had five children (one died in infancy). The couple were among the founders of the Australian Communist Party but later moved to the right, denouncing communism and advocating an Australian alliance with Japan,leading to Adela being briefly interned after Pearl Harbour. The Pankhurst sisters were brought up as agnostics (like their father, whom I should say was a genuinely decent individual) but Adela reacted against this and considered herself a Christian throughout her adult life. She became a Catholic some time before her death. (The couple married in a nondenominational Protestant church but I suspect her husband later returned to the practice of his faith and this may have influenced her.) Although her outspoken opposition to abortion and contraception was not seen as specifically Catholic in the way it would be later, it may also have influenced her conversion. I wouldn't call her perfect (in the 1930s she defended Japanese aggression against China as a barrier against Russian communism) but by all accounts she had a lifelong passion for the downtrodden and was a good wife and mother. May perpetual light shine upon her. www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/24/wayward-suffragette-adela-pankhurst-and-her-remarkable-australian-life
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