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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 24, 2013 8:16:29 GMT
That's interesting. Frs Wach and Mora were part of the French movement Opus Sacerdotale which were altogether separate from the SSPX and studied for the Genoa Archdiocese under Cardinal Siri. When it came to doing doctorates in Rome, the only place which would take the in the 1980s was the Pontifical Irish College - Mgr John Hanley was the rector at the time (immediately before Mgr Seán Brady, now Cardinal Successor of St Patrick).
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Post by rogerbuck on Apr 25, 2013 7:10:51 GMT
This is very interesting indeed to know. I would like to get a greater sense of just what Opus Sacerdotale was. I suppose the doctorates must have been in Italian - I know Wach doesn't speak English (I assume the Irish college works in English?)
I've been reading about Cullen and Kirby's 19th century shaping of the college. I wonder if their influence stretched right through to Mgr Hanley's time ... ?
Also, as someone watching the ICRSS for years now, it has long seem to me that Mgr Wach may have had a particular interest in Ireland.
In any event, my prayers are really with the Institute in Ireland. My years of experience with the ICRSS tell me they have something very profound to contribute to Catholic Tradition which follows a different trajectory from Lefebvre/SSPX.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 25, 2013 8:04:08 GMT
They would have done their doctorates in one or other of the Roman universities - probably the Lateran as it is around the corner from the Pontifical Irish College, but the Gregorian and Angelicum are both within walking distance.
The priests of the College speak Italian, but the general language in use is English (even if it does have "Coláiste na nGael" above the gates. However, Fr Wach understands English better than he pretends; he has many contacts among the Irish clergy and he does have a love for this country.
For all that, the ICRSS mission in Ireland seems to have been absorbed in a heavy investment in purchasing the Limerick Jesuit church. The financial commitment has hampered the possibilities of building up a support base first and the ICRSS apostolate in Ireland may hang on the success or failure of this enterprise which at the moment is just costing money.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 25, 2013 10:48:56 GMT
I should add that the Pontifical Irish College is one of four Irish Colleges in Rome. The others, more or less closed now are San Patricio (OSA); San Isidore (OFM); and San Clemente (OP).
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Post by rogerbuck on Apr 25, 2013 22:55:01 GMT
... Wach understands English better than he pretends; he has many contacts among the Irish clergy and he does have a love for this country. For all that, the ICRSS mission in Ireland seems to have been absorbed in a heavy investment in purchasing the Limerick Jesuit church. The financial commitment has hampered the possibilities of building up a support base first and the ICRSS apostolate in Ireland may hang on the success or failure of this enterprise which at the moment is just costing money. Mgr Wach's connection to Ireland is most interesting. The sense of possible danger in your last two sentences here concerns me, Alaisdir, and although I am, alas, far away from Limerick at present, I very much would welcome thoughts about what is needed to build up the "support base" there, help the situation etc. (I might add that I know Limerick from having studied at Mary I there and remember the Jesuit church with deep fondness.)
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Sept 5, 2022 12:48:06 GMT
Mass takes place in Sacred Heart Church, O'Connell Crescent, Limerick on Sundays at 8am, 10.30 am and 6pm; on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday at 8 am and 6pm; on Thursday at 8am; on Friday at 6pm; and on Saturday at 10.30 am.
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