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Post by cpm on May 26, 2008 23:55:38 GMT
Hi All Im a regular singer/attender at St Kevin's in Harrington Street (every Sunday). Just Wondering does anyones have any views on the music in St Kevin's? Does anyone have any points re music at other TLM locations? In Nomine Christe
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 27, 2008 13:44:36 GMT
Music is a mixed bag at TLM locations throughout Ireland, although great efforts are made to provide music in many places.
It seems very difficult to get a choir in Ireland who can do the propers of the Mass really well.
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Post by Ferns Trad on May 27, 2008 19:15:28 GMT
Hi All Im a regular singer/attender at St Kevin's in Harrington Street (every Sunday). Just Wondering does anyones have any views on the music in St Kevin's? Does anyone have any points re music at other TLM locations? In Nomine Christe I've been at St Kevin's twice, and twice before that at St Audoen's. I found the music magnificent.
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Post by cpm on May 27, 2008 21:41:29 GMT
alaisdir6, probably one of the few choirs in Ireland that can sing gregorian chant well are either the Lassus Scholars (sings in St Kevin's twice a month) or maybe the Schola in St Kevin's, or even the Choral Guild that sang just about every sunday in St Audeon's before the move to St Kevin's. The Lassus Scholars mainly sing Polyphonic Works but we are quite accomplished at chant aswell. In Nomine Christe
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 28, 2008 8:26:47 GMT
CPM,
You missed my point. I draw a distinction between the Propers and the Common of the Mass. Almost every TLM location in Ireland that opts for sung liturgy has a good choir in respect of the Common (eg Kyrie, Gloria and other parts common to festive Masses) - say, the Schola Gregoriana in St Paul's in Belfast or the St Mary's Choir (Navan) that does the Batterstown Masses or the St Kevin's Schola in Dublin or the choir that sing in Ss Peter's and Paul's in Cork. Also, the Dominican church choir in Newry did a couple of Masses in that direction in recent months. I know there are other.
The Propers of the Mass are a different thing altogether, which varies from Mass to Mass. Most of these choirs, with the possible exception of the Schola in St Kevin's, can not do them. As for the Lassus Scholars, I have heard long established members of the St Kevin's/St Audoen's/St Paul's/Ss Michael's & John's congregation refer to them as the 'Lassus Squallers'. They draw an extra several dozen into Harrington St when they sing, but these do not come back on the other weeks. Many of those who do complain about the weeks they are on - I have heard more than a few do so already. The Chaplaincy should perhaps re-evaluate the policy of engaging them at all.
Alaisdir.
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Post by cpm on May 28, 2008 12:54:30 GMT
Alaisdir. Alaisdir, I meant no offence in what I said. I simply stated the choirs that I know of in the Dublin Area. In regards to what you said about the Scholar's, I have had quite a lot of people (and yes, regular attendees at St Audeon's as well as St Kevin's) come up to me personally and tell me the music was heaven on earth when the scholars sing. I take offence at some of the comments you made about the scholars (or "squallers" as YOU like to call us). In Nomine Christe,
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Post by Askel McThurkill on May 28, 2008 14:03:11 GMT
Look, cpm, Alaisdir was just pointing out some of the differentials in church music and as a Lassus scholar, you should have known that.
As to 'heaven on earth' - well some people are easily impressed.
Lassus Squallers - I hadn't heard that one, but by God, it's a howler. Don't be seen to take too much offence at that now, cpm, or before you know it everyone in the pews in St Kev's will be saying 'Are the Squallers on again this week.
Take it easy bud.
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Post by Guest on May 28, 2008 17:48:00 GMT
CPM With respect their comments, are fair comment. I'm sure even the 'squallers' share a joke from time to time. I'm sure the schola in St.Kevin's do their best.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on May 29, 2008 11:24:39 GMT
God, cpm, what did I tell you? Everyone is calling you the squallers now.
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Post by monkeyman on Jul 10, 2008 23:02:42 GMT
alaisdir6, probably one of the few choirs in Ireland that can sing gregorian chant well are either the Lassus Scholars (sings in St Kevin's twice a month) or maybe the Schola in St Kevin's, or even the Choral Guild that sang just about every sunday in St Audeon's before the move to St Kevin's. The Lassus Scholars mainly sing Polyphonic Works but we are quite accomplished at chant aswell. In Nomine Christe Cpm I'm afraid I have to agree with Alaisdir on this. Ive been listening to the Lassus Squallers as he he calls them for over 10 years and they are dreadful...in so far as this is the best that Dublin can come up with...far better I hear is the sining at Latin (Ordinary Form) from the Pro-Cathedral. The Lassus Scholars make the monks of Glenstal Abbey sound positively ethereal...and that is not good!! Constructive criticism will hopefully prompt a rise in the standards of the scholars singing. Afterall when you sing you pray twice.!!!
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Post by cpm on Jul 10, 2008 23:49:08 GMT
May I ask what exactly the Lassus Scholars do wrong? In Nomine Christi, CPM
PS: Was anybody witness to organ playing last sunday in St Kevin's? The Choir were nearly knocked overe by the sound coming from the pipes he was so loud ;D Quite a lot of people told me they didnt like it and I didnt either
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jul 17, 2008 11:52:45 GMT
That, cpm, is a perennial problem at the Dublin TLM.
BTW, former choir mistress Mina Bean Ui Chribin was pronouncing forth on the lack of ability of the Lassus Scholars or Squallers (depending on your point of view) to get the Credo right.
But seriously, the problem seems to stem from the fact the LS are seen as being in St Kevin's for the music rather than the Mass.
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Post by kieron on Jul 22, 2008 16:21:29 GMT
Re the music in St Kevin's - I'd like to see more use of traditional hymns, maybe producing a small hymnbook for the chaplaincy. My children don't learn any of these hymns at school, and it would be instructional to have a different recessional hymn every Sunday instead of the Salve Regina. On the singing of the proper when the choir is absent, it's dodgy at the best of times. You can hear the choristers sliding on and off the notes. What about occasional polyphony when the choir is away, too? If the choir could provide four parts with organ accompaniment, many people would join in. I can't sing in the choir as I have three young children at the Mass, but I'd like to join in as much as possible.
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Post by cpm on Jul 23, 2008 16:18:47 GMT
Kieron, Thanks for the feedback. When you refer to the choir being absent are you referring to the lassus scholars being absent? Unfortunately I think buying hymnals for the congregation is financially out of the question at the moment. I will raise the point of hymnals for the congregation with Fr. Deighan and the mens schola director next time Im at mass. I will also raise the point of doing easy polyphonic motets with the director of the mens schoa next time I see him, but baring in mind that the number of men in the schola never exceeds 7 at the most (usually theres 3 - 5 men) I would think it quite unlikely that we would be able to manage a four part piece as it would be only 1 man to a part. I will also raise the point of vernacular hymns with the director of the schola. In Nomine Christi
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jul 23, 2008 20:30:49 GMT
Unfortunately I think buying hymnals for the congregation is financially out of the question at the moment. What would it cost?
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