Post by lionelandrades on Jan 21, 2012 11:10:39 GMT
THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED BY THE MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM TO REMOVE RECKLESS AND SLANDEROUS CLAIMS ABOUT NAMED INDIVIDUALS
Friday, January 20, 2012
The issue is also the Eucharist in the diocese of Fort Wayne South Bend, Indiana, USA
A comment on a website says the bishop canonically has the right to ask Real Catholic TV.com to remove the name Catholic.
The issue is also the Eucharist in the diocese of Fort Wayne South Bend, Indiana, USA. INSINUATION THAT THE BISHOP IS NOT ENTITLED TO OFFER MASS DELETED BY MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM
In the Nicene Creed we pray: “I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin”. The baptism of water is needed to remove Original Sin. The baptism of water is given to adults with Catholic Faith.
The bishop at Fort Wayne South Bend cannot say in public that Judaism is not a path to salvation and that Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell (for salvation).
He is denying the Nicene Creed and the Athanasius Creed.He is also not affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and is putting aside Dominus Iesus and other magisterial texts including Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14).This is public manifest heresy, of the first class, SAYS LIONEL ANDRADES, WHO POSSESSES NO TEACHING AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER.
In this sin the bishop has the right to offer Holy Mass and canonically call himself a ‘Catholic’ ? MR ANDRADES MAKES THE FOLLOWING FALSE ASSUMPTIONS - HE ASSUMES THAT HIS VERSION OF THE DOCTRINE IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE ONE AND THAT THE BISHOP IS NOT ENTITLED TO HOLD OR ACT ON ANY OTHER VIEW. HE ASSUMES THAT IF THE BISHOP'S VIEW IS WRONG, HE IS NOT MERELY SUBJECTIVELY MISTAKEN BUT IN MORTAL SIN. HE SETS HIMSELF UP AS JUDGE OF WHETHER A BISHOP IS ENTITLED TO EXERCISE HIS ECCLESIASTICAL FUNCTIONS, ALTHOUGH MR ANDRADES POSSESSES NO ECCLESIASTICAL JURISDICTION WHATSOEVER. MR ANDRADES SHOULD STUDY THE HISTORIES OF NOVATIANISM, DONATISM, AND SIMILAR HERESIES LEST HE FALL INTO HERESY HIMSELF.
MR ANDRADES MAKES FURTHER GENERAL REFERENCES TO SACRILEGIOUS COMMUNION WHICH I HAVE DELETED BECAUSE OF THE INNUENDO WHICH THEY CONTAIN.
I am just a layman. I am not judging him. YES YOU ARE, AND YOU ARE AT THE VERY LEAST DECEIVING YOURSELF WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT. I am just pointing out to YOUR INTERPRETATION OF what the Church teaches.The teaching of the Church is the same for priests, bishops, cardinals and the pope AND YOU HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER ANY OF THEM. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO CRITICISE THEM BUT NOT TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is available for all INCLUDING THOSE WHO PRACTICE CALUMNY, DETRACTION, RASH JUDGEMENT AND SPIRITUAL PRIDE; SUCH PEOPLE, AND ALL OTHER SINNERS, SHOULD SINCERELY REPENT OF THEIR SINS, SEEK OUT THE SACRAMENT, AND MAKE REPARATION.
I had written to the bishop and the issue is now all over the internet. It is up to him to affirm the Catholic Faith as a bishop. He can answer the four questions asked of him. YOU ARE NOT HIS JUDGE TO COMMAND HIM AND YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE ON HIM BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WASTE HIS TIME REPLYING TO YOU.
1. Bishop Kevin Rhoades is denying an ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Outside the Church No Salvation). catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation HE IS NOT DENYING IT BY REFUSING TO STATE IT, AND YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT YOUR PARTICULAR INTERPRETATION OF IT IS BINDING ON ALL CATHOLICS. THE POWER TO BIND AND LOOSE WAS GIVEN TO PETER, NOT TO LIONEL.
2. He is refusing to say that Judaism and other religions are not paths to salvation.
3. He is refusing to say that Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid Hell).
4. The Bishop in Indiana is assuming that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto known to us in the present times, since he considers them exceptions to the dogma and other magisterial teachings.Are these cases explicitly known to us ? WE MAY NOT KNOW THE NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS - THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE NOT KNOWN UNTO GOD. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT AUTHORITY FOR THESE DOCTRINES, AND YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO READ OUT OF THE CHURCH ALL WHO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POSITION ON THEM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
5. Bishop Kevin Rhoades is assuming that there is some magisterial text which claims that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto exceptions to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.Some magisterial text says these cases are exceptions to the dogma ? AND YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT THERE IS NO BASIS FOR HIS POSITION, WHICH I SUSPECT YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THROUGH RECKLESSNESS
Are not prayers of reparation needed here? YES - REPARATION FOR SLANDER AND PHARISAISM.
-Lionel Andrades. FROM WHOM HIBERNICUS DISSOCIATES HIMSELF AND THIS FORUM.
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
...whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
CANON LAWYER IN INDIANA NEEDS TO BE ASKED : IS BISHOP KEVIN RHOADES JURIDICALLY A CATHOLIC ?
Evidence of the Fort Wayne Bend bishops denial of the Catholic Faith is on a website.eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/canon-lawyer-in-indiana-needs-to-be.html
BISHOP KEVIN RHOADES DENIES THE CATHOLIC FAITH eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/bishop-kevin-rhoades-denies-catholic.html
JEWISH CATHOLIC DAY OF REFLECTION TODAY eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/jewish-catholic-day-of-reflection-day.html
Will Bishops Allen Vigneron and Kevin Rhoades give permission for a website against Michael Vorris?eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/will-bishops-allen-vigneron-and-kevin.html
Questions for the Canon Lawyers:Can Archbishop Allen Vigneron and Bishop Kevin Rhoades be considered Catholic if they refuse to affirm in public the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/questions-for-canon-lawyers-can.html
It's a Free Country.. : A Catholic who rejects a defined dogma like outside the church no salvation is automatically excomunicated. He has no right to use the word 'Catholic'. eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/its-free-country.html
ERRORS IN THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATIONeucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search?q=Errors+in+the+Catechism+of+the+Catholic+Church
ERRORS IN THE CATECHISM ?eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search?q=Errors+in+the+Catechism+of+the+Catholic+Church
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church why did Cardial Joseph Ratzinger not mention that the baptism of desire is not a defacto exception to the dogma outside the church no salvation nor to Vatican Council II ? eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/in-catechism-of-catholic-church-why-did.html
eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/issue-is-also-eucharist-in-diocese-of.html
Friday, January 20, 2012
The issue is also the Eucharist in the diocese of Fort Wayne South Bend, Indiana, USA
A comment on a website says the bishop canonically has the right to ask Real Catholic TV.com to remove the name Catholic.
The issue is also the Eucharist in the diocese of Fort Wayne South Bend, Indiana, USA. INSINUATION THAT THE BISHOP IS NOT ENTITLED TO OFFER MASS DELETED BY MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM
In the Nicene Creed we pray: “I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin”. The baptism of water is needed to remove Original Sin. The baptism of water is given to adults with Catholic Faith.
The bishop at Fort Wayne South Bend cannot say in public that Judaism is not a path to salvation and that Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell (for salvation).
He is denying the Nicene Creed and the Athanasius Creed.He is also not affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and is putting aside Dominus Iesus and other magisterial texts including Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14).This is public manifest heresy, of the first class, SAYS LIONEL ANDRADES, WHO POSSESSES NO TEACHING AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER.
In this sin the bishop has the right to offer Holy Mass and canonically call himself a ‘Catholic’ ? MR ANDRADES MAKES THE FOLLOWING FALSE ASSUMPTIONS - HE ASSUMES THAT HIS VERSION OF THE DOCTRINE IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE ONE AND THAT THE BISHOP IS NOT ENTITLED TO HOLD OR ACT ON ANY OTHER VIEW. HE ASSUMES THAT IF THE BISHOP'S VIEW IS WRONG, HE IS NOT MERELY SUBJECTIVELY MISTAKEN BUT IN MORTAL SIN. HE SETS HIMSELF UP AS JUDGE OF WHETHER A BISHOP IS ENTITLED TO EXERCISE HIS ECCLESIASTICAL FUNCTIONS, ALTHOUGH MR ANDRADES POSSESSES NO ECCLESIASTICAL JURISDICTION WHATSOEVER. MR ANDRADES SHOULD STUDY THE HISTORIES OF NOVATIANISM, DONATISM, AND SIMILAR HERESIES LEST HE FALL INTO HERESY HIMSELF.
MR ANDRADES MAKES FURTHER GENERAL REFERENCES TO SACRILEGIOUS COMMUNION WHICH I HAVE DELETED BECAUSE OF THE INNUENDO WHICH THEY CONTAIN.
I am just a layman. I am not judging him. YES YOU ARE, AND YOU ARE AT THE VERY LEAST DECEIVING YOURSELF WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT. I am just pointing out to YOUR INTERPRETATION OF what the Church teaches.The teaching of the Church is the same for priests, bishops, cardinals and the pope AND YOU HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER ANY OF THEM. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO CRITICISE THEM BUT NOT TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is available for all INCLUDING THOSE WHO PRACTICE CALUMNY, DETRACTION, RASH JUDGEMENT AND SPIRITUAL PRIDE; SUCH PEOPLE, AND ALL OTHER SINNERS, SHOULD SINCERELY REPENT OF THEIR SINS, SEEK OUT THE SACRAMENT, AND MAKE REPARATION.
I had written to the bishop and the issue is now all over the internet. It is up to him to affirm the Catholic Faith as a bishop. He can answer the four questions asked of him. YOU ARE NOT HIS JUDGE TO COMMAND HIM AND YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE ON HIM BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WASTE HIS TIME REPLYING TO YOU.
1. Bishop Kevin Rhoades is denying an ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Outside the Church No Salvation). catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation HE IS NOT DENYING IT BY REFUSING TO STATE IT, AND YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT YOUR PARTICULAR INTERPRETATION OF IT IS BINDING ON ALL CATHOLICS. THE POWER TO BIND AND LOOSE WAS GIVEN TO PETER, NOT TO LIONEL.
2. He is refusing to say that Judaism and other religions are not paths to salvation.
3. He is refusing to say that Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid Hell).
4. The Bishop in Indiana is assuming that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto known to us in the present times, since he considers them exceptions to the dogma and other magisterial teachings.Are these cases explicitly known to us ? WE MAY NOT KNOW THE NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS - THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE NOT KNOWN UNTO GOD. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT AUTHORITY FOR THESE DOCTRINES, AND YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO READ OUT OF THE CHURCH ALL WHO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POSITION ON THEM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
5. Bishop Kevin Rhoades is assuming that there is some magisterial text which claims that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto exceptions to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.Some magisterial text says these cases are exceptions to the dogma ? AND YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT THERE IS NO BASIS FOR HIS POSITION, WHICH I SUSPECT YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THROUGH RECKLESSNESS
Are not prayers of reparation needed here? YES - REPARATION FOR SLANDER AND PHARISAISM.
-Lionel Andrades. FROM WHOM HIBERNICUS DISSOCIATES HIMSELF AND THIS FORUM.
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
...whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
CANON LAWYER IN INDIANA NEEDS TO BE ASKED : IS BISHOP KEVIN RHOADES JURIDICALLY A CATHOLIC ?
Evidence of the Fort Wayne Bend bishops denial of the Catholic Faith is on a website.eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/canon-lawyer-in-indiana-needs-to-be.html
BISHOP KEVIN RHOADES DENIES THE CATHOLIC FAITH eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/bishop-kevin-rhoades-denies-catholic.html
JEWISH CATHOLIC DAY OF REFLECTION TODAY eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/jewish-catholic-day-of-reflection-day.html
Will Bishops Allen Vigneron and Kevin Rhoades give permission for a website against Michael Vorris?eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/will-bishops-allen-vigneron-and-kevin.html
Questions for the Canon Lawyers:Can Archbishop Allen Vigneron and Bishop Kevin Rhoades be considered Catholic if they refuse to affirm in public the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/questions-for-canon-lawyers-can.html
It's a Free Country.. : A Catholic who rejects a defined dogma like outside the church no salvation is automatically excomunicated. He has no right to use the word 'Catholic'. eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/its-free-country.html
ERRORS IN THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATIONeucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search?q=Errors+in+the+Catechism+of+the+Catholic+Church
ERRORS IN THE CATECHISM ?eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search?q=Errors+in+the+Catechism+of+the+Catholic+Church
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church why did Cardial Joseph Ratzinger not mention that the baptism of desire is not a defacto exception to the dogma outside the church no salvation nor to Vatican Council II ? eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/in-catechism-of-catholic-church-why-did.html
eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/issue-is-also-eucharist-in-diocese-of.html