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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 23, 2008 14:04:33 GMT
Kilmore is a diocese of approximately 57,000 Catholics served by 101 priests in 36 parishes. It is made up of most of Co Cavan, a substantial portion of Co Leitrim and has a few parishes in counties Sligo, Meath and Fermanagh. It is one of four cross-border dioceses in Ireland, but only has a few parishes in Co Fermanagh. Its official website is www.kilmorediocese.ie/ . Two bishops have headed the Kilmore diocese since the 1984 indult. Bishop Francis McKiernan (now deceased) was Bishop of Kilmore between 1972 and 1998. He was succeeded by the incumbent, Bishop Leo O'Reilly. Though the Society of St Pius X have not had an active Mass centre in the Kilmore Diocese, a native of the diocese, Mr David Sherry, was ordained to the priesthood within the SSPX in 2007. He is the third Irish-born priest of the SSPX; the other two (also Ulstermen) were ordained in the early 1990s. Since 1984, there has only ever been one indult Mass in the Kilmore Diocese. This was a nuptial Mass in Virginia, Co Cavan in April 1995. The couple attended the indult Mass in St Paul's, Arran Quay in Dublin at the time, but the bride was a native of Virginia (the village in Co Cavan as opposed to any better known Virginia elsewhere). Bishop McKiernan allowed this, but declined to instate a more regular Mass. However, the request for a regular Mass did not come from within the diocese. It is unknown whether Bishop O'Reilly received a request for the traditional Mass, but it is known that there is emerging interest in the extraordinary form in the Kilmore diocese.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 9, 2008 14:28:49 GMT
Judging by the diocesan reports - I would say this diocese is in a worse position than any others except Clonfert (the one where they have had no Mass yet).
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Post by monkeyman on Jun 15, 2008 0:47:43 GMT
Hmmm...interesting the Society of St Pius X have had 3 vocations in Ulster but none elsewhere....very telling. They are a partuclarly crackpot bunch anayway...the SSPX, I wonder do us free staters see this and see through the plastic 50's cartoon Catholicism for what it is?? Lefebvre was no saint...Ive seen elsewhere and heard in low voices that "he will be made a saint someday"...some people really do live in cloud-cuckoo-land...no harm in heading down to Paddy Powers though and putting a fiver "on the nose" saying he wont!! ah Kilmore God help us.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 16, 2008 9:39:35 GMT
Well, look at 'Cashel and Emly' on this board - the pixie in the hatchery is from the town of Cashel in Tipp South. That would be Peadar Walsh (Peadar Breathnach to Hibernian readers) and he is in the SSPX seminary in Flavigny.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jun 16, 2008 15:01:31 GMT
Hmmm...interesting the Society of St Pius X have had 3 vocations in Ulster but none elsewhere....very telling. They are a partuclarly crackpot bunch anayway...the SSPX, I wonder do us free staters see this and see through the plastic 50's cartoon Catholicism for what it is?? Well, most Catholics do see through the SSPX; that what they offer is a caricature of traditional Catholicism rather than the real thing.. Well, that's why they are called the pixies...many of them are simply in deep denial. Some excellent points, Monkeyman. Too bad the new kid on the block in the pixies is a Munsterman.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Nov 25, 2008 12:05:00 GMT
Any sign of change here?
The pixies run summer camps for girls and boys in Cavan (another typical example of them trying to import French and American practices into Ireland - if they want to run an Irish model summer event, let them open a Colaiste samradh in the Gaeltacht. Oh, I forgot, none of them speak Irish). But my point is the Pixies are doing things in Cavan and Leo O'Reilly doesn't seem too bothered about it.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 25, 2008 17:45:52 GMT
It would be a mistake to say the Pixies have a cartoon version of 50s Catholicism. They think Fifties Catholicism was sadly liberal and that is what got us into the mess we're in now. Wholesale return to the era of Louis XIV would be more their cup of tea.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Nov 25, 2008 18:48:13 GMT
The Pixies are doing things in Cavan and Leo O'Reilly doesn't seem too bothered about it. Are they? That's interesting. Can you tell us more?
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Nov 26, 2008 11:18:42 GMT
The information is here: www.ireland.sspx.net/eucharistic%20crusade/camps/Camp%20Info%20Booklet2008.pdf. Yes, I do consult www.ireland.sspx.net from time to time. I have heard anectdotally that the SSPX and their supporters use this venue at other times too. In regard to activity in the Kilmore diocese, I gather any effort (and they have mainly located in the west of the diocese, in Co Leitrim) have come to nothing. I have no answer why, but I do sense a disconnect between a partial pixie presence in Kilmore and an apparent whispering campaign not to allow an EF Mass there. That's why I say there is no evidence of Bishop O'Reilly doing anything. BTW, I am glad to see new people coming in on these diocesan threads - I hoped to generate discussion here.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Nov 26, 2008 11:26:23 GMT
It would be a mistake to say the Pixies have a cartoon version of 50s Catholicism. They think Fifties Catholicism was sadly liberal and that is what got us into the mess we're in now. Wholesale return to the era of Louis XIV would be more their cup of tea. I am with Hibernicus here, if the Kilmore thread is not the place to discuss it. The pixies are inordinately attached to pre-revolutionary French Catholicism, even if this was hardly a model for any of us. Many well meaning French Catholics (Pascal comes to mind) opted for Jansenism in this climate. This carried into the Low Countries and Northern Italy. But the problem is that the following generation interpret and express their parents' frustration with the established Church in a different way - thus someone as anti-clerical as Giuseppe Mazzini grew up in a Jansenist household. So there is always a need for prudence - in Kilmore or elsewhere. I don't associate the virtue of prudence with the SSPX.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Dec 5, 2008 11:13:36 GMT
For Kilmore, contact: Colm Ó Muireagáin - I have no e-mail at present.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Apr 8, 2010 11:45:29 GMT
So, Kilmore. Still no improvement on one nuptial Mass?
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Post by hibernicus on Apr 8, 2010 16:51:39 GMT
Looking over this thread, I notice a problem with Monkeyman's proposed bet. I too think a fiver that archbishop Lefebvre will never be canonised is a safe bet, but when would the bookie pay out, given that people have been canonised centuries after their death?
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 9, 2010 10:08:53 GMT
Well, you could probably go odds on for within five years, even monies for within ten, two to one within fifteen and so on. Or some accumulator bet. Over to Monkeyman.
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