How to bring TLM to the working class Jul 3, 2008 9:21:29 GMT
Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jul 3, 2008 9:21:29 GMT
There's a lot in that and I don't think is uncharitable. However, I don't think the clergy running the Dublin Mass ever tried to really compete with the SSPX, but they only offered an alternative Mass. I don't think the Chaplaincy, for all its publicity, is any different.
This is the reason the result of the Ultimatum will be essential and crucial. If SPPX, via Bishop Fellay and Vatican, via Cardinal C de Hoyos, at least, find a way to discuss and go further toward the end the excommunications, which i hope indeed, it will be a great benefit for the SPPX. People, who might have left the Fraternity, because of her troubled relationships with Rome, will be more trusty toward the SPPX. They might go back to their mass in Saint John's or Athlone or Cork. And the SPPX, in Ireland, once a bit down at the moment, will revive. I repeat this ultimatum is essential and crucial.
Aside from the fact this topic is off the point: neither SSPX nor Dublin Chaplaincy have ever shown a marked interest in Dublin's working class. There are a lot in this group and Askel has pointed out that the Archbishop of Dublin has reported that in some working class parishes, Mass attendance is as low as 2-5%. Personal experience of dealing with these people gives me the idea they are not irreligious - many of them have sacred images and holy water in their houses and other sacramentals are in evidence. I know of a priest who was working in a parish outside Dublin where many Dublin working class people moved. He said they never came to church, but they welcomed him into their houses and asked him to bless their new homes. There is obviously a huge disconnect here.
Santiago says that he thinks any ordinary group of Catholics exposed to the EF or even the OF said well will react positively. I agree with him. I think among trad oriented clergy there is a middle to upper class oriented bias and I would like to see it corrected. In Limerick, Fr Groeschel's Franciscan Friars of the Renewal went into Moyross. This is one of the places which put the 'stab' into 'Stab City'. The FFRs are not trads, but they offer a very conservative Catholic message. And they are having a noticeable effect - even An Garda Síochána is saying that. The point of the thread here is why can't trads act similarly?
With regard to the SSPX, there is more to the question than just the disciplinary matter of the Society operating outside the church. Even if all sanctions are revoked, I am not going to Mass where priests preach endlessly on the evils of television or how wrong it is for a woman to wear trousers or how bad Assisi was. I know Assisi was bad, but its in the past. It is not wrong in itself for a woman to wear trousers and television is only as evil as the person watching it. Unrelated to alleged ultimata from the Vatican or ongoing dialogue, the SSPX seriously need to look at who they are and where they're going. They are not the last remnant of the faithful.