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Post by hibernicus on Jan 14, 2010 17:05:28 GMT
In terms of public figures, the Athlone novelist John Broderick (1924-89) was a devotee of the Tridentine Mass and often spoke scathingly of the Novus Ordo. Broderick was a deeply tormented figure - a homosexual and alcoholic, given to speaking scathingly of Catholic activists like those who upheld literary censorship - and I suspect his views on this came from a mixture of aestheticism, snobbery, and genuine piety; it is difficult to say in what proportions. (He actually applied to study for the priesthood at one stage.) His novels are aggressively and often incoherently scandalous, but he does have some shrewd things to say about the superficial and conformist nature of much mid-century Irish piety. What I know about him and his Catholicism comes from Madeleine Kingston's 2004 biography, though that is pretty weak; there is a 2007 selection of his journalism, called THE STIMULUS OF SIN, which I haven't seen but may contain some of his comments on the subject. Remember him in your prayers.
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Post by cpm on Jan 20, 2010 22:22:55 GMT
Im sure Bruton was squirming in his seat during the sermon when Fr. Nevin referred to the EU: "The new President of the European Council, whatver that is!"
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jan 25, 2010 16:10:47 GMT
I'm sure it was water off a duck's back. A lot of people take what Fr Nevin says with a grain of salt anyway. Like when I was sitting down to coffee once with a bunch of people with the Brandsma Review. A BR contributor's wife was sitting there and her attention was drawn to one of Fr Nevin's sermons which was printed there. She just looked at the ceiling and said it was about fornication so there was no need to read it. I read the sermon to find out she was right.
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 26, 2010 12:24:21 GMT
Fr. Nevin is a pretty forceful speaker, but "whatever that is" would hardly make Bruton uneasy (except perhaps about coming there). Too much Irish Euroscepticism is conducted on the assumption that Euro-federalism is self-evidently wrong and lacking in any merits whatsoever, and that nationalism is a sort of self-evidently absolute good. Anyone who is criticising what the EU has done to us needs to come to terms both withh the failure of economic nationalism to provide the Irish people with an adequate living in the 1940s and 1950s, and with the sense on the European continent that European federalism is a safeguard against the sort of great-power rivalries and violent populist politics that gave Europe a century of wars and dictatorships. You can't really understand where the generation that includes Chancellor Kohl and the present Pope is coming from until you have read something like Giles MacDonogh's account of the sufferings of the population of Germany in the years immediately after WW2 (or the devastation of the parts of the USSR occupied by the Nazis in between Stalinist repression, or Tom Holland's THE SORROWS OF ITALY, or many other accounts of the same sort).
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 5, 2010 22:26:52 GMT
Who is Father Nevin?
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 9, 2010 12:02:51 GMT
Is he that very forcefully-spoken Donegal priest whom I have heard at St. Kevin's sometimes. He certainly is a good preacher.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Feb 9, 2010 12:17:52 GMT
Yep. That would be Father Michael Geoffry Nevin, native of Letterkenny, priest of the Archdiocese of Dublin, archdiocesan archivist. He spent some time in Fontgombault Abbey. Before that, he was long term curate in Kilmacannock, Co Wicklow. Known for his preaching.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on May 11, 2010 11:10:45 GMT
Someone reminded me that one of the most colourful Dublin City alderman, a former Lord Mayor of Dublin and one-term TD, Seán D. Christian Democrat Dublin Bay Rockall Wood Quay Loftus attended St Paul's, Arran Quay from time to time.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Aug 19, 2010 10:59:19 GMT
Yes, Dublin Bay Loftus was seen at St Paul's at election time. So were a whole host of political hopefuls from the various Christian party configurations who would descend on the place at the same time. A lot of YD people treat the trad congregations in the same way - like some sort of captive audience.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Aug 31, 2010 11:26:51 GMT
That was very big at the 1992 election but it has faded since then.
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Post by kieron on Nov 5, 2010 12:24:03 GMT
And of course Senator Ronan Mullen is a regular at Sunday Mass at St Kevin's...
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 5, 2010 12:33:48 GMT
Is he? I go there fairly often, albeit irregularly, and I've never noticed him.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Nov 10, 2010 11:48:20 GMT
I saw Senator Mullin once in St Audoen's before his election to the Seanad, a long time ago.
I haven't seen him there since.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Nov 19, 2010 10:28:55 GMT
Saw Senator Mullin there on Sunday, but he looked more like a man on the canvass than at Mass.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 15, 2012 11:56:08 GMT
The folk singer Christy Moore is not anybody's idea of a trad, but in his song 'Me and The Rose', he laments the passing of the Latin Mass and decries folk Masses. The line isn't totally tongue in cheek.
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