From a utilitarian point of view, I can't see any reason to object. If you don't have a Christian (or other religious, or even non-religious) reverence for the human body, then why not?
Incidentally, I think the logic should extend to such things as public nudity. I wonder if Dawkins would defend that. In terms of consequentialism, I don't know how public nudity can be opposed.
It just seems like Dawkins is scrabbling to be controversial these days. People have grown tired of his usual stuff.
This is why Planned Parenthood see nothing wrong in selling the body parts of aborted infants to universities and drug companies for experiments on and why others think surrogacy, IVF etc can be ok but the end does not justify the means.
The philosopher John Gray is an example of an atheist who attacks many atheist commentators as superficial, as being unconsciously influenced by the religious beliefs which they reject, and as failing to grasp the full implications of a truly random universe. Peter Hitchens has an interesting review in which he summarises Gray's views while noting that Gray does not argue for the non-existence of a loving God;he simply dismisses it out of hand without considering it even as a possibility.
Peter Hitchens links to an interesting compare and contrast piece by another writer on his own THE RAGE AGAINST GOD and his brother Christopher's GOD IS NOT GREAT. Not having read Christopher Hitchens' book I must say I had not realised how deeply and openly it was driven by hatred of God, seen as an external and arbitrary authority. (He quite spectacularly misunderstands the point of happiness in Heaven; it's like saying water is tyrannical because it arbitrarily forces you not to be thirsty.) Peter's book seems much more directly an answer to Christopher's than I realised - and the commentator also notes that Peter's version of Anglicanism has a strong air of civic religion about it and is definitely doctrinally muddled.
margaretann: Is anyone hanging out white and yellow bunting for the Popes visit this year as we did for the last Popes visit.
Apr 1, 2018 15:57:13 GMT
maolsheachlann: I hadn't planned on it but it's a good idea.
Apr 4, 2018 12:52:39 GMT
maolsheachlann: I remember our parish priest complaining about the lack of flags for the Eucharistic Congress.
Apr 4, 2018 12:53:02 GMT
Magus123: I don't know what to believe about Medjegorje now. I was there in 1989. I saw the Priest and 2 of the visionaries. Is it real?
Apr 23, 2018 2:17:30 GMT
Magus123: Please, talk to me.
Apr 23, 2018 2:18:56 GMT
Young Ireland: No Magus, it is not. Anything miraculous happening there is the result of people's faith and not the apparition.
Apr 23, 2018 18:18:29 GMT
i like the nuns: i like nuns
May 19, 2018 19:56:19 GMT
Frank In: Hello
Jul 24, 2018 17:55:53 GMT
Nov 6, 2018 11:04:25 GMT
myholylandartifacts2: Definitely, the seven joys are different devotion. Yesterday I bought a beautiful handmade Rosary from holyland-artifacts.com/collections/frontpage/products/2 blessed in the Holy Sepulchre. The Rosary is mainly use by Roman Catholics while saying s
Nov 9, 2018 11:54:02 GMT
Claritas: Medjugorje ? I leave the visions / visionaries up to the Church. As for Our Lady - She is there. Go and experience the grace for yourself for a week. I was completely skeptical of Medjugorje until I did. It's an indescribably spiritual place.
Nov 17, 2018 2:53:29 GMT
maolsheachlann: Why did you go if you were completely sceptical?
Dec 18, 2018 19:36:25 GMT
woody: Medjugorje is a big hoax!
Dec 25, 2018 15:50:19 GMT
Claritas: It was not my intention to go until a series of events led me there. I'll leave it up to the Church to decide what is and is not a hoax, I can only judge what I personally experienced, and those of others pilgrims I met. My only regret is not going sooner.
Jan 16, 2019 22:58:04 GMT
Claritas: Maria, Regina Pacem, ora pro nobis.
Jan 16, 2019 22:59:12 GMT
Colmcille: Forum is all into politics of the world and mickey measuring instead of any depth of spirituality - wrong focus. No salt or light. Pray and Fast. May God bring blessings to you.
Feb 27, 2019 19:42:56 GMT
maolsheachlann: Well, that is because it is a forum. I suspect everyone who does post here prays and fasts and cultivates a spiritual life. But these are things we agree on, so it doesn't really make for discussion.
Feb 28, 2019 10:18:21 GMT
maolsheachlann: Of course, if you want to take it in a different direction you are welcome to post something.
Feb 28, 2019 13:18:15 GMT
Colmcille: Political nonsense. You don't have to disagree with the depth of Catholic spirituality, lives of the Saints and treasures of the faith in order to discuss them.
Mar 3, 2019 16:48:29 GMT
maolsheachlann: This is why I disabled the shoutbox on the Irish Conservatives Forum. People with substantive contributions to make will do so in the forum.
Mar 4, 2019 13:57:20 GMT