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Post by guillaume on Jan 14, 2010 16:12:20 GMT
I agree. This housekeeping is/was necessary. And certainly, this forum will attract again "old" members and maybe new ones. The constant aggression of some ex members was painful. I do not know how many times i complained about it.
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Post by HazelIreland on Jan 14, 2010 16:16:43 GMT
[/b]Hazelireland is a glutton for punishment. All future posts by him will be deleted as soon as I see them, as I have done here; and since he objects to my putting words into his mouth, I will not comment on them. I suggest he should save his efforts for atheist.ie, where he will be appreciated.
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 19, 2010 11:44:16 GMT
Loughcrew started a thread in the Catholic Forum criticising the countmeout site, which assists people to send in a formal act of defection from the Catholic Church. I have moved the thread to the Open Forum because the atheist posters may wish to respond and I am trying to reserve the Catholic Forum for Catholic posters. Catholic posters: please bear in mind - the Catholic Forum is for discussions among Catholics. If you want to criticise or challenge the atheists, who are entitled to respond to such attacks so long as they do it reasonably and politely, please do it in the Open Forum.
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 19, 2010 11:55:46 GMT
Jessica posted this in the "New miracle in Lourdes" thread. I am reproducing it here as it contains various criticisms about the running of this board and I intend to reply to them when I find time. Re: A new miracle in Lourdes « Reply #23 on Nov 11, 2009, 9:36am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This forum is disgusting -----I came here hoping to talk to other Irish people about something dear to my heart. I have been reading it for a few months and my account was approved by the moderator on Sept 6.-----Instead I recognize nothing of my faith in this forum, nor from any body on it.
The disgusting - unwelcoming - cruel treatment of some of the users by other users makes me sick to my stomach. The use of the thread by Cecile for example who only wished to say hello, by users like guilame to have a snide, unprovoked attack on other users on the thread should be something that user is forever ashamed to have done. This is before you look at the petty thread that was here some time ago where two users went at each other throwing around threats of legal action against each other and the forum owner.
Mostly I find the forum populated by one user who has done nothing but lie - insult - attack - plagiarize - and generally act like a coward whenever challenged on even the smallest points.----- When anyone points out that users disgusting behaviour he just calls on the moderator again and again to delete them. A moderator who is wholly absent and clearly does not care that his forum is being destroyed by someone who claims to be a member of the same flock and appears to want every user deleted but him so he can give his sermons without response.
He calls himself a Christian too but I recognize nothing of my Christian faith in how this person acts. I wholly reject the faith this person claims to have. ----- ezigboututu you are a loss to this forum. I would like to think I am too because my disgust at Hibernicus is enough to make this my one and only response and whatever I felt I might have to offer this community will now go wholly unoffered. I will be deleting my account forthwith and never returning to even read replies to this post.
Hibernicus, Guilame, Michael G, you have achieved nothing here with me except to make me wholly ashamed that I go under the same banner “Christian” as you do. Shame, really is the only word that comes to my mind when I think of you and this forum. I am ashamed to have ever found it, I am ashamed of your behaviour on it, and I am ashamed to share the same faith as you.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jan 19, 2010 12:50:37 GMT
I have to say I find that last post that Hibernicus reproduces very suspect.
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 19, 2010 17:17:19 GMT
I too suspect that Jessica was a sockpuppet. I notice that she singles out for attack te most active Catholic members while saying nothing about the personal abuse engaged in by some of the more aggressive atheists (or by some of the lunatics). Indeed, she commendds Ezigboututu, who was given to the most graphic jeering at all forms of religious belief and beleivers. She objects to Guillaume testing cecile's bona fides, although anonymous posting makes this a necessary measure if we are not to waste a great deal of time and effort on spoofers. She accuses me of plagiarism - message from earth - plagiarism is when you pass off someone else's work as your own; I link to other sites as a source of information for other users who may be interested in them, and although I am not strong on the quote function I do my best to indicate where the extracts begin and my own comments end. She refers to a thread in which two members exchanged threats of legal proceedings. Noelfitz was the only one who threatened legal proceedings because I doubted his bona fides. I did not threaten legal action; I initially defended what I said then apologised and offered to leave the board. She denounces me for demanding tha tHazelireland and Ezigboutut should be deleted from the board. I appealed to the moderator as I was entitled to do and gave clear and specific reasons for why they should be delted - essentially because Ezigbotutu was violently and aggressively abusive, and Hazelirealnd ran away from real argument while repeatedly calling me a liar. No board can function unless some degree of editorial control is used to keep out people who are not interested in real discussion. Jessica seems to think it is somehow unChristian to ban or delete any user or ask for them to be banned or deleted. I recommend the following texts to anyone who entertains her interpretation of "unChristian":
Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Lk 13:6-9 He spoke this parable. "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it, and found none. He said to the vine dresser, ‘Behold, these three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree, and found none. Cut it down. Why does it waste the soil?’ He answered, ‘Lord, leave it alone this year also, until I dig around it, and fertilize it. If it bears fruit, fine; but if not, after that, you can cut it down.’"
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 19, 2010 17:18:32 GMT
All this being said and done, I am afraid that the discussions on tis forum can get a bit bitter and uncharitable sometimes. Does anyone have any ideas about what might be done to remedy this?
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 20, 2010 13:40:06 GMT
Dear harris, Thanks for your thoughts - however, I would remind you that this thread is in the Catholics Forum section which is meant to allow Catholics to discuss matters of mutual interest among themselves. If you want to respond to it, please do so in the Open Forum. This is not a formal warning, because the distinction between Catholic Forum and Open Forum has not been enforced in the past so it would be unfair to enforce it straight away - but I am giving notice that I intend to enforce it in the future. After 31 January we will have the official position as stated by Michael G - non-Catholics posting in the Catholic fora will be warned the first time and banned the second (with some scope for leniency if I decide it was inadvertent).
Catholic posters are asked not to post DIRECT criticisms of/attacks on atheists and other non-Catholic posters in the Catholic threads unless they post them at the same time in the open forum, since it is unfair to attack them from a vantage-point where they cannot reply. If they do so, their posts may be moved to the open forum where the atheists etc can respond, as I did yesterday with the thread started by Loughcrew about the countmeout.ie website. Again, this will be enforced flexibly, bearing in mind that statements of Catholic views on certain topics necessarily involve INDIRECT criticism of non-Catholic standpoints, but the rules of fair discussion apply to Catholic posters as well - they do not have carte blanche. I am copying this to the Housekeeping thread in the Open Forum - any further discussion should take place there.
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Post by Harris on Jan 20, 2010 15:43:25 GMT
Dear harris, Thanks for your thoughts - however, I would remind you that this thread is in the Catholics Forum section which is meant to allow Catholics to discuss matters.......... Hibernicus, Can you clarify the above? Are you suggesting I am an Atheist?
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 20, 2010 17:06:32 GMT
I was under the impression from your posts that you were. Can you clarify this?
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Post by Harris on Jan 20, 2010 20:27:34 GMT
I was under the impression that you were. Can you clarify this? I am a Catholic and am currently studying the following course in the Open University: www3.open.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/course/ad317.htmMy vews may be contemporary on certain religious issues but I make no apologies for that. They are my views.
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Post by hibernicus on Jan 21, 2010 11:35:48 GMT
Fair enough - see my posting in the Thiberville thread. The ban doesn't apply to you; you can post in the Catholic Forum.
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Post by hibernicus on Feb 19, 2010 12:54:35 GMT
Just to note that Eccles has now been banned for abusive language and insulting other members. I will not be posting for the next week as I will be away on business.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 15, 2010 17:58:13 GMT
I have a lot of work to catch up on so I will not be posting very often over the next fortnight. I will keep an eye on the forum to make sure members behave themselves.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 18, 2010 11:58:12 GMT
Harris has been banned because he said there were no Biblical references to Heaven and suggested the concept was thought up by the Church Fathers centuries after the apostles died. This is not a view which can be held by anyone who has the mildest acquaintance with the New Testament, and the fact that Harris proposes it suggests he is only here to waste our time. I have banned Harris immedately rather than giving him the usual warnings because he acted in bad faith when he claimed to be a liberal Catholic rather than what he clearly is. An honest atheist I can stand; a spoofing sockpuppet deserves no respect at all. I must say I thought better of Harris - I am disappointed.
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