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Post by hibernicus on Apr 16, 2018 20:02:12 GMT
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Post by Young Ireland on Apr 16, 2018 20:25:02 GMT
Bizarre indeed. Given that the person behind this has a particularly extreme record when it comes to abortion, one would really question if there is much thought given to consistency in government policy, even in the same department. In other words, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 16, 2018 7:57:45 GMT
As a penitential exercise, I read Katherine Zappone's piece in today's Irish Independent. For some one with a PhD (in theology, if you are curious), what she came out with was purely emotional and condescending. She excused those who voted for the Eighth then on the grounds that they knew little about abortion. We knew enough and we know even more now though the "Yes" advocates are doing their best to keep this out of the debate. But then during the 1983 debate, and following this, I remember Dr Zappone's contributions to The Living Word, which were largely about shaming perceived patriarchal oppressors, particularly in the Church. I think she was trying to make a name for herself at the time. Well look over her career for a lesson in cynicism.
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Post by hibernicus on May 16, 2018 21:39:56 GMT
Someone has pointed out that the "Yes" posters never use the word "abortion". One recent poster proclaims "The Woman You Love Might Need Your Yes". Apparently it never occurred to them that this can be read as "Men: Vote Yes To Escape Responsibility For Those Awkward Consequences".
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 21, 2018 11:16:59 GMT
I see Waterford TD John Halligan was not allowed act as sponsor at his nephew's confirmation. While I believe the application of Canon law was correct, I would take the deputy's point that he was far from being the only non-practicing Catholic to be volunteered to be a confirmation sponsor but he appears to be the only one singled out.
I would say Josepha Madigan's role as a parish reader is a more serious affair. But if we are to take the implications of participation in Mass and sacraments seriously, the hierarchy and clergy need to begin to take the faith seriously. This is the sort of issue which will come up again.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 22, 2018 7:44:16 GMT
I have to say Simon Harris's response to the Halligan incident was pathetic. How does someone like that get appointed to the cabinet, as he strikes me as clueless.
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Post by maolsheachlann on May 22, 2018 9:18:56 GMT
Someone has pointed out that the "Yes" posters never use the word "abortion". One recent poster proclaims "The Woman You Love Might Need Your Yes". Apparently it never occurred to them that this can be read as "Men: Vote Yes To Escape Responsibility For Those Awkward Consequences". Why do we have to constantly go in for male self-laceration? Why can't we just say that men also deserve a voice on this issue because every child has a father and so many aborted children are male? Not to mention the fundamental fact of our common humanity? I've noticed both Yes and No sides almost compete to villify men in this debate. The Yes side argue that anti-abortion laws are an example of men coercing women and the No side often argue the same thing about abortion itself. One householder yesterday said to me, while I was door-to-door campaigning, that he is going to vote Yes because if it is a No vote men will be blamed. I argued with him, of course, but what I forgot to point out is that he will also be blamed if there is a Yes vote. I suppose he will get less grief for that-- better to have the pro-life side pointing a finger at you than Official Ireland in all its wrath. (Of course, all this pales into insignificance set against the thousands of lives at stake.) Let's not cooperate with the man-bashing narrative. It has become a conditioned reflex at this stage.
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Post by hibernicus on May 24, 2018 20:13:11 GMT
The Scottish blogger Lazarus has an interesting post on the topic. cumlazaro.blogspot.ie/2018/05/men-and-irish-abortion-referendum.htmlI'm not engaging in man-bashing BTW - of course I'm one myself - though one feature of abortion is that it makes it easier for the father to claim he has no duties to the child and the mother. (The film AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN famously has one character responding to his girlfriend's announcement of her pregnancy with: "Don't worry, darling, I'll stand by you - I'll see you through the abortion".) My point was that the authors of that YES poster were so obtuse that they never realised it could be read as an appeal to the self-interest of deadbeat dads.
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Post by hibernicus on Jun 11, 2018 20:47:07 GMT
Recently I was on a journey,and was catching up with some recent newspapers before throwing them away. In a recent SUNDAY BUSINESS POST (I think the Sunday before last - unfortunately I failed to note the date before throwing it away) there was an article in which a doctor explained some of the legal issues which the medical profession would face in providing abortion on the basis of "fatal foetal abnormalities". The doctor explained that some of these babies, when delivered, live longer than might be expected and this could cause further distress to the parents. Hence,in most countries, certain drugs are injected into the child to stop the heart so that the baby is "born sleeping". For this to be done in Ireland the drugs must be specifically licenced for use in "foeticide"; the licensing process is estimated to take about ninety days. By "born sleeping" this doctor of course meant "born dead" but was too mealymouthed to say so. The majority of our nation voted for Barabbas, and now hide the choice in euphemisms.
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Post by Young Ireland on Jun 19, 2018 20:56:19 GMT
Meanwhile, one of the media's pet theologians is now declaring that Canon Law is "misogynistic" simply because abortion is an excommunicable offence, whereas murder and rape are not. First of all, has it not occurred to Menzies that the one of the purposes of excommunication is to highlight the severity of such actions? We all know that murder and rape are evil, and that the perpetrators of both, given the usual conditions, are effectively excommunicated. No such consensus exists on abortion, hence why special penalties need to be applied to hammer home the message. She then goes on to juxtapose this with the horrors of the past century, as if somehow two wrongs will make a right. I notice that she doesn't mention the physical, not to mention psychological, risks to the mother (as well as the child) as a result of abortion, or why the Church might want to prevent such a catastrophic and dangerous procedure for reasons other than mere misogyny. Here is link if anyone can stomach it (for information only needless to say): www.irishtimes.com/opinion/most-heinous-sin-misogynistic-legacy-of-canon-law-and-abortion-1.3534983
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jun 20, 2018 8:17:22 GMT
The night course theologian is back and she is trying to be a Canon lawyer too. All she is showing there in what she says about other Christian denominations is that she is disregarding the Orthodox churches and wilfully misconstruing the nuances of Protestantism,none of which give carte blanche to her wish list. Aside from questioning whether the wish list is in women's best interest in the first place. A female friend of mine was given a divorce she didn't want in October to have her husband remarry and die intestate since leaving her in a vulnerable position in what has been her own home right now. There are more stories where that came from.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Jun 25, 2018 7:40:55 GMT
Anyone see reports Josefa Madigan presided over a Communion service yesterday when a priest failed to show. This is a public scandal.
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Post by Young Ireland on Jun 25, 2018 7:56:55 GMT
Anyone see reports Josefa Madigan presided over a Communion service yesterday when a priest failed to show. This is a public scandal. That's my parish! I had considered going to the Saturday evening Mass, but I'm glad I went on Sunday instead (where we did have a priest, thank God). There are mitigating circumstances in that parish (the PP has motor neurone disease and is being assisted by priests from outside), but allowing Deputy Madigan to preside over such a service is outrageous.
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Post by Account Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:09:41 GMT
Anyone see reports Josefa Madigan presided over a Communion service yesterday when a priest failed to show. This is a public scandal. www.thejournal.ie/culture-minister-josepha-madigan-mass-4090879-Jun2018/"It might have been better, for example, if there was training for us in a situation like that where we weren’t sure whether we could read the Gospel or not. We chose not to in the end." "We didn’t do the collections and everybody pulled together and handled it very well, but I do think that there’s a bigger issue here. I think the church should be ordaining women, I think it should be optional that priests can marry." This is from a Minister of the Word (but clearly not a Deacon). We have a huge problem with Catholic catechesis, and knowledge of the liturgy, in this country. That should be addressed before any lay involvement, to cover "shortage of priests." I know of another parish where a member of the congregation (not deacon or priest) is invited by the priest to "talk" on the Gospel of the day.
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Post by maolsheachlann on Jun 25, 2018 18:47:53 GMT
Anyone see reports Josefa Madigan presided over a Communion service yesterday when a priest failed to show. This is a public scandal. www.thejournal.ie/culture-minister-josepha-madigan-mass-4090879-Jun2018/"It might have been better, for example, if there was training for us in a situation like that where we weren’t sure whether we could read the Gospel or not. We chose not to in the end." "We didn’t do the collections and everybody pulled together and handled it very well, but I do think that there’s a bigger issue here. I think the church should be ordaining women, I think it should be optional that priests can marry." This is from a Minister of the Word (but clearly not a Deacon). We have a huge problem with Catholic catechesis, and knowledge of the liturgy, in this country. That should be addressed before any lay involvement, to cover "shortage of priests." I know of another parish where a member of the congregation (not deacon or priest) is invited by the priest to "talk" on the Gospel of the day. We always say it boils down to catechesis, but I think we have to ask the question...is it simply that the congregations and parish teams don't care? If they were catechized, would they even listen? Most of us on this forum, I would imagine, are almost entirely self-catechized. It's not difficult. The information is more readily available now than ever before.
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