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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 8:44:30 GMT
This current offering is the fruit of much discussion, but for the purposes of this thread, I would like with the Moderator's permission, to confine ourselves to groups promoting the extraordinary form under the Church hierarchy. There is more than enough of these without straying into other territory - if someone does want to discuss the SSPX and their position, it can be the fruit of a separate thread. Let me begin by giving a list of websites: Obviously, I am going to begin with Cumann an Aifrinn Laidinigh/Latin Mass Society of Ireland: www.latinmassireland.orgSecondly, there are three specific traditional apostolates with websites: Dublin Latin Mass Chaplaincy: www.latinmass.dublindiocese.ie St Patrick's Academy, Islandeady: www.stpatricksacademy.ie/ Father Brady's Faith Apostolate, Wexford: www.faithapostolate.ie/ There is Our Lady's Sodality, who have a monthly Mass in Dublin's University Church: www.sodality.ie/Finally, there is the website for the LMSI group in Derry: www.derrylatinmass.com/ I am not going to go into blog spots now - I am sure there are other contributers that will - I defer to anyone with more current knowledge than me. In terms of organisations, I have mentioned the LMSI, their Derry branch and the Sodality of Our Lady. There are others. Firstly there is Ecclesia Dei Ireland. This group is based in Dublin, comprised mainly of older members of the St Kevin's congregation and they organise four Masses a year: a pilgrimage to St Brigid's Church, Kildare; another to Holycross Abbey in Tipperary (as advertised elsewhere on this forum); another to St Peter's, Drogheda (shrine of St Oliver Plunkett); and their AGM Mass in Dublin. There is Pobal na hEireann in Belfast: sean1925.tripod.com/ The website is mainly in Irish; the body is a political party with policies including restoring the High Kingship and it includes an exclusively Irish language discussion board. Pobal na hEireann doesn't actually do very much and its leading member was upset at the use of English language sermons and prayers after Mass at the LMSI Masses in Belfast - I don't know whether he expected the Mass to be exclusively in Latin or whether Irish should have been the language of the vernacular element. There are the competing Juventutem groups - I believe there are two or three at this stage. The principle blogspot is: juventutemireland.blogspot.com/ There is another for Dublin juventutemdublin.blogspot.com/ and I understand that there is a Confraternity of Young Catholic Adults out there somewhere to which is also understood to be part of Juventutem International. Anyway, these are the groups. As for publications, the only wholly commitment pro-EF within the Church publication is the Brandsma Review: www.brandsmareview.net, older issues appear on www.brandsmareview.com. I am aware that there are other pro-EF publications, but others have a sympathy for the SSPX, which I don't intend to form part of this thread - that may well be a subject of another thread. The next post I have will be a Mass list.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 9:07:28 GMT
Secondly, look at regular Masses in Ireland. I have listed Father Brady's as private as the diocese of Ferns have created a grey area around it. Father Rutledge in Ballina says the EF in his own house, but like Father Brady, welcomes attendees. I have also given a specific website where possible to indicate if an organisation are responsible. I would welcome further corrections. Note, this is as of 11 April 2008 at 11 am. Daily:Archdiocese of Tuam: St. Patrick's Academy, Islandeady, Castlebar, Co. Mayo. Sundays - 11 am; Saturdays - 9 am; Monday-Friday - 7.30 am. Celebrant: Rev. Father Thomas Cunningham C.S.Sp. Tel.: +353-94-9021782. Website: www.stpatricksacademy.ie/ Archdiocese of Dublin: St. Kevin’s Church, Harrington St., Dublin 8: Sundays & Holy Days on public holidays or Saturdays – 10.30 am; Monday-Friday – 8 am; Saturday – 9 am; Working Holy Days & 1st Fridays – 8 am & 7 pm. Traditional Chaplain: Rev. Father Gerard Deighan, P.C. Tel.: +353-87-2884638; e-mail: latinmass@dublindiocese.ie Website: www.latinmass.dublindiocese.ie Weekly:Diocese of Raphoe: Ss. Conall & Joseph Church, Bruckless, Co. Donegal. Sundays - 12.30 pm. Celebrant: Very Rev. Father Dermot McShane, P.P. Tel.: +353-74-9737015. Contact: Proinnsias Ó Muireagáin, tel.: +353-74-9737307, e-mail: pomuiregain@eircom.net (In doubt due to Fr McShane’s health – please telephone in advance)Archdiocese of Dublin: St. Joseph’s Chapel, Newtownmountkennedy, Co. Wicklow. Saturdays – 11 am. Celebrant: Very Rev. Father Seán Smith, C.C. +353-1-281 9253 E-mail contact: Nick Lowry, brandsmabooks@eircom.netMonthly:Diocese of Kerry: Holy Cross Dominican Priory, Tralee, Co. Kerry. 3rd Sunday - 1.30 pm. Celebrant: Rev. Father John O’Rourke, O.P. Tel.: +353-66-7121135, E-mail contact: Anne Kiely, annekiely31@eircom.netDiocese of Raphoe: St. Brigid's Church, Golan, Co. Donegal. 1st Friday - 7 pm. Celebrant: Rev. Father Kevin Driver, C.C. Tel.: +353-74-9153280 Contact: Proinnsias Ó Muireagáin, tel.: +353-74-9737307, e-mail: pomuiregain@eircom.net Diocese of Cork & Ross: Ss.Peter & Paul's Church, Paul St., Cork. 1st Saturday - 10am. Tel.: +353-21-4276573. www.latinmassireland.orgDiocese of Down & Connor: St. Paul's Church, Falls Road, Belfast BT12 6AB. 1st Saturday – 1pm. Contact: Mrs. Eileen Davey, Tel.: +44-28-90875546. (From Republic of Ireland: 048-90875546), E-mail: p.davey@mac.com www.latinmassireland.orgDiocese of Limerick: St. Patrick's Church, Dublin Road, Limerick. One Sunday a month, as announced - 11.15 am Celebrant: Rev. Father Wulfran Lebocq, ICRSS. Contact: Nestor family. Tel.: +353-61-355120. E-mail: vickynestor@gmail.com www.latinmassireland.org Archdiocese of Dublin: Sodality of Our Lady, University Church, St. Stephen's Green, Dublin 2. 1st Saturday - 10.30 am. Contact: Thomas Murphy (Prefect). Tel.: +353-45-438312. E-mail: lepanto@catholic.org. Website: www.sodality.ie/ Archdiocese of Cashel & Emly: Church of St. Patrick & St. Brigid, Glengoole, Co Tipperary. 1st Thursday – 7 pm. Celebrant: Very Rev John J O'Rourke PP. Tel.: +353- 56-8834128, e-mail: jkfe2325@eircom.net Occasional MassesDiocese of Meath: Church of the Assumption, Batterstown, Co. Meath. Celebrant: Rev. Father Michael Cahill, C.C. Tel.: +353-1-8259267 (E-mail contact: Peadar Laighleis plaighleis@eircom.net) www.latinmassireland.orgDiocese of Raphoe: St. Michael's Church, Creeslough, Co. Donegal. Celebrant: Rev. Father Joseph Briody, C.C. Tel.: +353-74-9138011, e-mail: frbriody@hotmail.comDiocese of Galway, Kilmacduagh & Kilfenora: Contact: John Heneghan. Tel.: +353-93-31273. E-mail: john_heneghan@hotmail.com www.latinmassireland.orgPrivate MassesDiocese of Ferns: The Oratory, Coolcots, Wexford. Sundays - 10.30 pm; Saturdays - 9am; Wednesdays - 6.30 pm; other days - as announced. Celebrant: Rev. Father John Brady C.S.Sp . Tel.: +353-53-9147184, e-mail: frjpbrady@faithapostolate.ie Website: faithapostolate.ie/ Diocese of Killala: Rathduff, Ballina, Co. Mayo. Celebrant: Rev. Father Robert Rutledge. Tel.: +353-96-71377 This list is quite specific and as far as practicible, gives maximum contact details, but is always subject to updating. Call it a start point.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 9:30:17 GMT
Thirdly, let's look at the calendar of events of the EF - discussing here Masses that take place on an annual basis. Note, I am compiling from memory and am open to correction. February:Kildare & Leighlin - Mass, St Brigid's Church, Kildare Town, Co Kildare - Ecclesia Dei IrelandApril:AGM - Latin Mass Society of Ireland - alternates between each of the four provinces - www.latinmassireland.orgCashel & Emly - Mass, Holycross Abbey, Co Tipperary - Ecclesia Dei IrelandMay:Paris-Chartres Walk, LMSI organise Irish chapter www.latinmassireland.org June:Achonry - Mass, Ballaghadereen Cathedral, Co Roscommon - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.orgDublin - Bealach Colm Cille Pilgrimage (walk from St Colmcille's Well, near Tallaght, Co Dublin to Glendalough, Co Wicklow with EF Mass) - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.orgJuly:Elphin Diocese - Mass, Tobernalt Mass Rock/Holy well, Sligo - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.orgArmagh - Mass, National Shrine of St Oliver Plunkett, St Peter's Church, Drogheda, Co Louth - Ecclesia Dei IrelandTuam - Tochar Padraig pilgrimage, walk from Ballintubber Abbey, Co Mayo to Croagh Patrick with Masses in Ballintubber Abbey and Aghagower Parish Church, Co Mayo - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.orgCork & Ross - Mass, Sacred Heart Church, Durrus, Co Cork - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.orgAugust:Raphoe - Mass, Letterkenny Cathedral, Co Donegal - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.orgSeptember:Tuam - National Pilgrimage with Mass, Knock, Co Mayo - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.org October:Ferns - Mass, Chapel, Edermine House, Enniscorthy, Co Wexford - Latin Mass Society of Ireland www.latinmassireland.orgNovember:Latin Mass Society of Ireland Annual Requiem Mass, usually Batterstown Co Meath, but may vary www.latinmassireland.orgDublin - AGM, Ecclesia Dei Ireland - usually in Capuchin Church, Church St, Dublin 7, but has been in Dominicans, Dominic St, Dublin 1 on occasion.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 9:34:07 GMT
I have outlined above, firstly, the organisations, apostolates and publications involved in the EF in Ireland, a list of regular Masses and a list of annual events. This is a beginning.
Now, the purpose of this thread - Ladies and Gentlemen, how do we maximise on what we have, using all the resources and personnel available to us in an effective manner to build on this and acheive more?
That is the purpose of the discussion I wish to launch.
Alaisdir Ua Seaghdha fos Iomanai ar an gclai.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 11:17:51 GMT
Note, this is as of 11 April 2008 at 12 noon. Daily:Archdiocese of Tuam: St. Patrick's Academy, Islandeady, Castlebar, Co. Mayo. Sundays - 11 am; Saturdays - 9 am; Monday-Friday - 7.30 am. Celebrant: Rev. Father Thomas Cunningham C.S.Sp. Tel.: +353-94-9021782. Website: www.stpatricksacademy.ie/ Archdiocese of Dublin: St. Kevin’s Church, Harrington St., Dublin 8: Sundays & Holy Days on public holidays or Saturdays – 10.30 am; Monday-Friday – 8 am; Saturday – 9 am; Working Holy Days & 1st Fridays – 8 am & 7 pm. Traditional Chaplain: Rev. Father Gerard Deighan, P.C. Tel.: +353-87-2884638; e-mail: latinmass@dublindiocese.ie Website: www.latinmass.dublindiocese.ie Weekly:Diocese of Raphoe: Ss. Conall & Joseph Church, Bruckless, Co. Donegal. Sundays - 12.30 pm. Celebrant: Very Rev. Father Dermot McShane, P.P. Tel.: +353-74-9737015. Contact: Proinnsias Ó Muireagáin, tel.: +353-74-9737307, e-mail: pomuiregain@eircom.net (In doubt due to Fr McShane’s health – please telephone in advance)Archdiocese of Dublin: St. Joseph’s Chapel, Newtownmountkennedy, Co. Wicklow. Saturdays – 11 am. Celebrant: Very Rev. Father Seán Smith, C.C. +353-1-281 9253 E-mail contact: Nick Lowry, brandsmabooks@eircom.netMonthly:Diocese of Kerry: Holy Cross Dominican Priory, Tralee, Co. Kerry. 3rd Sunday - 1.30 pm. Celebrant: Rev. Father John O’Rourke, O.P. Tel.: +353-66-7121135, E-mail contact: Anne Kiely, annekiely31@eircom.netDiocese of Raphoe: St. Brigid's Church, Golan, Co. Donegal. 1st Friday - 7 pm. Celebrant: Rev. Father Kevin Driver, C.C. Tel.: +353-74-9153280 Contact: Proinnsias Ó Muireagáin, tel.: +353-74-9737307, e-mail: pomuiregain@eircom.net Diocese of Cork & Ross: Ss.Peter & Paul's Church, Paul St., Cork. 1st Saturday - 10am. Tel.: +353-21-4276573. www.latinmassireland.orgDiocese of Down & Connor: St. Paul's Church, Falls Road, Belfast BT12 6AB. 1st Saturday – 1pm. Contact: Mrs. Eileen Davey, Tel.: +44-28-90875546. (From Republic of Ireland: 048-90875546), E-mail: p.davey@mac.com www.latinmassireland.orgDiocese of Limerick: St. Patrick's Church, Dublin Road, Limerick. One Sunday a month, as announced - 11.15 am Celebrant: Rev. Father Wulfran Lebocq, ICRSS. Contact: Nestor family. Tel.: +353-61-355120. E-mail: vickynestor@gmail.com www.latinmassireland.org Archdiocese of Dublin: Sodality of Our Lady, University Church, St. Stephen's Green, Dublin 2. 1st Saturday - 10.30 am. Contact: Thomas Murphy (Prefect). Tel.: +353-45-438312. E-mail: lepanto@catholic.org. Website: www.sodality.ie/ Archdiocese of Cashel & Emly: Church of St. Patrick & St. Brigid, Glengoole, Co Tipperary. 1st Thursday – 7 pm. Celebrant: Very Rev John J O'Rourke PP. Tel.: +353- 56-8834128, e-mail: jkfe2325@eircom.net Occasional MassesDiocese of Meath: Church of the Assumption, Batterstown, Co. Meath. Celebrant: Rev. Father Michael Cahill, C.C. Tel.: +353-1-8259267 (E-mail contact: Peadar Laighleis plaighleis@eircom.net) www.latinmassireland.orgDiocese of Raphoe: St. Michael's Church, Creeslough, Co. Donegal. Celebrant: Rev. Father Joseph Briody, C.C. Tel.: +353-74-9138011, e-mail: frbriody@hotmail.comDiocese of Galway, Kilmacduagh & Kilfenora: Contact: John Heneghan. Tel.: +353-93-31273. E-mail: john_heneghan@hotmail.com www.latinmassireland.orgPrivate MassesDiocese of Ferns: The Oratory, Coolcots, Wexford. Sundays - 10.30 pm; Saturdays - 9am; Wednesdays - 6.30 pm; other days - as announced. Celebrant: Rev. Father John Brady C.S.Sp . Tel.: +353-53-9147184, e-mail: frjpbrady@faithapostolate.ie Website: faithapostolate.ie/ Diocese of Killala: Rathduff, Ballina, Co. Mayo. Celebrant: Rev. Father Robert Rutledge. Tel.: +353-96-71377 Diocese of Meath: The Hermitage, Duleek, Co. Meath. Celebrant: Rev Father David Jones, O. Praem. (Hermit). Tel.: +353- 41-9823284.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 11:21:44 GMT
Ok, to return to the purpose of the thread, how much more can we do to support existing events and regular Masses and to introduce more?
A ua S.
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Post by santiago on Apr 11, 2008 17:46:20 GMT
What would be welcome, in the first instance, is a new openness amongst the Bishops towards the EF of the Holy Mass. The fact that many (the recent Mass in St. Colman's is a great example) are not openly advertised beforehand (outside of sites like this and NLM etc) tells us, I think, that Bishops are still concerned with promoting the EF of the Mass.....the cynic in me says it's in case they catch on and people ask for more.
The Dublin EF Chaplaincy is the true model of how things should move on in the short to medium term. It would be great if Cork, Limerick, Galway and Belfast all had centres like this.
Long-term of course the training of seminarians in both the OF and EF is ESSENTIAL (and being called for by Rome) so that "regular" parishes can experience the greatness of the EF of the Mass.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 11, 2008 21:25:05 GMT
First of all, I don't think the responsibility for the EF rests primarily on the Bishops. If they don't receive any requests for it, it is not their fault if they don't implement the law in force - in fact neither Summorum Pontificum nor Ecclesia Dei Adflicta obliges them to do anything in the absence of a request. The only time a bishop is at fault is when he deliberately frustrates a request to have the EF. There has been plenty of that in this country. I would say the point of the thread is to ask what can the lay faithful and committed clergy do to act together without reference to the Bishops. At the end of the day, I believe there only is one bishop in Ireland who has a personal commitment to the EF and that is Seamus Hegarty in Derry. The rest are at best indifferent, which is another reason why the laity must act.
In regard to the Dublin Chaplaincy, it could in fact be argued that this is an example of a bishop trying to keep a lid on the EF. Dublin is geographically very big, taking in nearly all of Co Dublin (Naul is the exception; it's in the Meath diocese), most of Co Wicklow, a huge chunk of Kildare and bits of Wexford and Laois. There are well over a million Catholics in the archdiocese. For all that, there is only one designated Church (the First Saturday Mass in University Church predates the chaplaincy and is intended for the Sodality of Our Lady; the Newtownmountkennedy Mass in Wicklow is an example of a priest, Father Smith, personally implementing Summorum Pontificum). Also if you take the attendence at St Kevin's on Sunday - it is somewhere on the lower end of the 300-400 scale. If this was proportionately reflected in the Cork and Limerick congregations, they would tiny enough to be negligible. Conversely, if the Dublin Mass were attended proportionately to Cork or Limerick, it would have a congregation of 800-900; or if proportionately to Bruckless in Donegal, one of well over 1000. I think this is a long winded way of saying that Dublin may not be the best model, but being what your average Dub calls a bog hopper or muck savage, I would say that.
Now, in favour of Dublin, it has a beautiful church and a great sense of liturgy (which it already had before the Motu Proprio; I like St Kevin's better than St Audoen's, but St Audoen's was in a much better location than St Kevin's) and the rest of Ireland can certainly learn from this, but the structure is not necessarily a good one
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Post by molagga on Apr 11, 2008 23:03:01 GMT
To the list of organisations mentioned above, St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy must also be added. Although a young organisation, it has demonstarted a clear effectiveness in promoting the TLM in the Cork area. Their next major undertaking is the Fota International Liturgical Conference -the object of which is quite clearly to set the theological basis for the renewal of the liturgy.
Following on the Masss organised by them in Cobh Cathedral on 25 March 2008, the Society has requested a number of other occasional Masses in Cobh, and in some of the towns in the diocese of Cloyne. Replies are currently being awaited for these requests. All going well, Masses should be able to be organised for the feast of St. Peter and Paul in June and for the Assumption of Our Lady in August. A request has also been made for a Marian Mass during the month of May. We wioll keep you posted on developments. Obviously, in the Cork area, there is no shortage of patronage for such Masses.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Apr 11, 2008 23:09:49 GMT
That does sound encouraging. Please do indeed keep us posted. Where are you finding priests to say these Masses, and churches where they can say them? I thought Cloyne was not a welcoming diocsese for the Extraordinary Form. (As far as I know, there was no Indult granted there under Ecclesia Dei.)
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 12, 2008 20:28:03 GMT
My understanding is that the St Colman's Society is 'reform of the reform' which is not the same thing as traditionalist.
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Post by molagga on Apr 12, 2008 20:43:12 GMT
I would not say the St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy is either "traditionalist" or "reform of the reform". It seems to have an entirely new approach to the question which is capable of embracing both of these liturgical currents.
Certainly, Cloyne diocese never made any concessions under the Ecclesia Dei Indult - but that era has been entirely superceded by the Motu Proprio and St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy is quite prepared to perceive the full range of liturgical possibilities now available to the Catholic faithful because of the Holy Father's personal solicitude and to set about promoting them.
As for priests, well there are at least half a dozen priests of the diocese of Cloyne who regularly use the UA for their private Masses. However, St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy is not a diocesan entity at all and can draw on a spectrum of resources available in Ireland and abroad. The Society, indeed, has a universal outlook.
As for the use of churches, well the canonical provisions of the Motu Proprio provide for that. Any resistence is unlawful. It can and will be addressed by the canonical remedies prescribed by law and before the competent instances -initially the bishop and ultimately the Holy See.
The Society will be glad to keep viewers posted with regard to the evolving programme of Masses that, hopefuly, should be in place in the Cork region in the coming months - D.V..
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 12, 2008 20:45:38 GMT
To the list of organisations mentioned above, St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy must also be added. Although a young organisation, it has demonstarted a clear effectiveness in promoting the TLM in the Cork area. Their next major undertaking is the Fota International Liturgical Conference -the object of which is quite clearly to set the theological basis for the renewal of the liturgy. Following on the Masss organised by them in Cobh Cathedral on 25 March 2008, the Society has requested a number of other occasional Masses in Cobh, and in some of the towns in the diocese of Cloyne. Replies are currently being awaited for these requests. All going well, Masses should be able to be organised for the feast of St. Peter and Paul in June and for the Assumption of Our Lady in August. A request has also been made for a Marian Mass during the month of May. We wioll keep you posted on developments. Obviously, in the Cork area, there is no shortage of patronage for such Masses. I am curious about the above. There are a number of priests in the Cork and Ross diocese and one in the Cloyne diocese who regularly say the LMSI Mass in Cork City. A propos of the title of this thread (co-operation among traditionalists), has the St Colman's Society approached the LMSI for assistance in regard to these proposed Masses?
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Post by molagga on Apr 12, 2008 20:53:11 GMT
To the list of organisations mentioned above, St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy must also be added. Although a young organisation, it has demonstarted a clear effectiveness in promoting the TLM in the Cork area. Their next major undertaking is the Fota International Liturgical Conference -the object of which is quite clearly to set the theological basis for the renewal of the liturgy. Following on the Masss organised by them in Cobh Cathedral on 25 March 2008, the Society has requested a number of other occasional Masses in Cobh, and in some of the towns in the diocese of Cloyne. Replies are currently being awaited for these requests. All going well, Masses should be able to be organised for the feast of St. Peter and Paul in June and for the Assumption of Our Lady in August. A request has also been made for a Marian Mass during the month of May. We wioll keep you posted on developments. Obviously, in the Cork area, there is no shortage of patronage for such Masses. I am curious about the above. There are a number of priests in the Cork and Ross diocese and one in the Cloyne diocese who regularly say the LMSI Mass in Cork City. A propos of the title of this thread (co-operation among traditionalists), has the St Colman's Society approached the LMSI for assistance in regard to these proposed Masses? My understanding is that St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy, while quite happy to cooperate with LMSI, is able to staff and resource its activities from among its own members and contacts. And, as far as I am aware, the LMSI has not made any contact with the Society, so far.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 12, 2008 21:00:21 GMT
I would not say the St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy is either "traditionalist" or "reform of the reform". It seems to have an entirely new approach to the question which is capable of embracing both of these liturgical currents. I have heard a few spokespeople for the Society saying they were 'reform of the reform' - I hope there are no crossed wires here Certainly, Cloyne diocese never made any concessions under the Ecclesia Dei Indult - but that era has been entirely superceded by the Motu Proprio It is correct to say that the Ecclesia Dei indult has by superceded in law...but one would be naive to imagine this to be the case in fact. and St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy is quite prepared to perceive the full range of liturgical possibilities now available to the Catholic faithful because of the Holy Father's personal solicitude and to set about promoting them. The Holy Father could begin by watching episcopal appointments in this country more closely As for priests, well there are at least half a dozen priests of the diocese of Cloyne who regularly use the UA for their private Masses. This is indeed news. It sounds quite incredible. Do other Irish dioceses have such resources? Remember only four active priests in the Archdiocese of Dublin say the UA in public on a regular basis. However, St. Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy is not a diocesan entity at all and can draw on a spectrum of resources available in Ireland and abroad. The Society, indeed, has a universal outlook. Perhaps, then the Society might consider a new title As for the use of churches, well the canonical provisions of the Motu Proprio provide for that. Any resistence is unlawful. It can and will be addressed by the canonical remedies prescribed by law and before the competent instances -initially the bishop and ultimately the Holy See. That's a pity. The traditional movement in Ireland (and overseas) would thrive better if the clergy in this country were won over by persuasion rather than apparently forced into a corner by authorities in the Roman Curia. The Society will be glad to keep viewers posted with regard to the evolving programme of Masses that, hopefuly, should be in place in the Cork region in the coming months - D.V.. I'll look forward to this.
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