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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Mar 19, 2009 18:22:53 GMT
Contrary to the headline, this is a good news story for those who want the Extraordinary Form: www.irishcatholic.ie/d5/content/vatican-clamps-down-killala-latin-mass-move. I can't figure out why the bishop seems to be playing a central role, because bishops are irrelevant to the procedure laid down in Summorum Pontificum, but it is a dramatic example of the motu proprio being put into effect by Rome.
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Mar 19, 2009 20:47:13 GMT
Yes, this is good news. But I wonder if there is an inside story that anyone might have? This didn't come out of nowhere.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 20, 2009 11:20:27 GMT
The role of the Council of Priests (mentioned in the linked story) is probably significant. I have heard of instances in some American dioceses (often involving applications by converted Anglicans for Anglican Rite provision or by traditionalists for TLM celebrations before the motu proprio) where a diocesan Council of Priests has had the decisive voice in vetoing it. It is not clear from the instances I have heard of whether this involved the Council overruling the bishop or the bishop using the council as a fig-leaf to avoid personal responsibility for the refusal (I suspect both). I also notice from the story that the council does not seem to be fully representative (since we are told a number of priests disagred with the decision). Another example of episcopal authority being ceded to a self-selecting clique. On what basis were the elections conducted? Do such councils exist in other Irish dioceses and if they do, how representative are they?
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Post by guillaume on Mar 20, 2009 13:27:41 GMT
Contrary to the headline, this is a good news story for those who want the Extraordinary Form: www.irishcatholic.ie/d5/content/vatican-clamps-down-killala-latin-mass-move. I can't figure out why the bishop seems to be playing a central role, because bishops are irrelevant to the procedure laid down in Summorum Pontificum, but it is a dramatic example of the motu proprio being put into effect by Rome. I don't know of this so called "council of priests" who refused to apply the MP. But that makes me sick ! I am glad the Vatican intervened in this issue. This is an example. Those priests must follow their Chief - the Pope - decision regarding the celebration of holy mass, Tridentine mass. Doing not so, they were on a verge of a schism actually as they refused a Pope's decision. So if we have difficulties finding a priest the Commission ED will provide one, words of Cardinal de Hoyos.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 20, 2009 17:15:47 GMT
Councils of Priests are actually a fairly widespread phenomenon - they are supposed to keep the bishop from behaving like an autocrat. The problem is that they can be run by small highly-committed cliques which turn autocracy into oligarchy. Do other Irish dioceses have similar councils?
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Apr 6, 2009 17:49:33 GMT
Interesting to see this story appear from a trad-sympathetic point of view, in The Tablet.
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