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Post by santiago on Mar 3, 2008 22:42:45 GMT
His Grace the Most Reverend Bishop of Cloyne John Magee will celebrate low Mass in the extraordinary form in the fantastic setting of St. Colman's Cathedral in Cobh, Co. Cork on Easter Tuesday, 25th March 2008. Bishop Magee will be the fifth (I think) Irish Bishop since the late 1960's to celebrate the EF of the Mass publically. If you're within striking distance of Cobh then I urge you to attend and show your appreciation afterwards to Bishop Magee. For more information see thebreastplate.blogspot.com/2008/03/mass-in-extraordinary-form-at-st.html
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Mar 3, 2008 23:10:09 GMT
Welcome Santiago. I intend to be there. I grew up on the other side of Cork Harbour, in Passage West (and my mother still lives there), and I intend to bring as many old friends as possible to the Mass in Cobh. This Mass is exceptionally important because Bishop Magee of Cloyne (who was Private Secretary to Pope John Paul I and Pope John Paul II) never allowed an Indult Mass before the Motu Proprio and because the Cathedral survived an attempt (with Bishops Magee's approval, it seems) to disfigure it for the most extreme interpretation of the Novus Ordo.
Please PM me if you wish. This needs to be a success.
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Post by santiago on Mar 3, 2008 23:19:36 GMT
Michael, Thanks for the welcome. I came here via www.catholic-perspective.blogspot.com/I am gutted to say that I won't be in the country that day but will be badgering family and friends to attend while I'm back over the Easter weekend. I agree whole-heartedly - this is a great moment. It'll just be 3 (I think) diocese who have not had a Mass in the EF (in recent years) after March. Hopefully these events will have a knock-on effect on the standard of liturgy throughout Ireland. Deo Gratias
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Post by santiago on Mar 16, 2008 1:16:32 GMT
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Mar 17, 2008 23:49:27 GMT
It'll just be 3 (I think) diocese who have not had a Mass in the EF (in recent years) after March. Actually there is only one now after Cloyne, I'm told — Clonfert. We have been blessed to see the big wall broken down and it can never be built up again.
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Post by santiago on Mar 27, 2008 23:09:20 GMT
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Post by molagga on Apr 5, 2008 16:50:54 GMT
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Apr 10, 2008 9:38:19 GMT
Just a recap on historical significance of the Cobh Cathedral Mass.
1. Irish Bishops -
Bishop Edward Daly of Derry initiated a monthly Mass in the Derry Diocese in the 1980s by saying the Mass himself.
Bishop Séamus Hegarty of Derry said the Mass publicly on at least two occasions - saying the Derry indult Mass in June 1996 and saying Mass prior to the Latin Mass Society of Ireland AGM in May 2005. The bishop is known to have said the Mass privately on more occasions than this.
Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin said Mass in St Audoen's Church, High St, Dublin 8 on the 1st Sunday of Advent in 2005.
Bishop Colm O'Reilly said Mass in Edgworthstown, Co Longford in September 2007 in the context of a bicentennial commemoration of the death of the Abbé Edgeworth.
Bishop John Magee therefore became the fifth Irish bishop to say the Mass publicly in Cobh Cathedral on March 25.
2. Irish Cathedrals -
There is an annual Mass in Letterkenny Cathedral (Raphoe Diocese - Ss Eunan & Colmcille) on August 15 since 2001. The celebrants are usually one of two Raphoe priests, Father Joseph Briody or Father Kevin Driver. In March 2006, Father Richard von Menshengen of the Institute of Christ the King said Mass in the Cathedral during a visit to Ireland.
In August 2003, Father James Buckley of St Peter's Fraternity said Mass in St Mary's Cathedral, Galway. This has never been repeated.
In August 2003 and the following year, Father James Buckley FSSP said Mass in St John's Cathedral, Limerick.
In August 2004, Father James Buckley FSSP said Mass in St Eugene's Cathedral in Derry and in September 2005, Father Arnaud Devillers FSSP (Superior General) said Mass in this cathedral.
Since June 2005, there has been an annual Mass in the Cathedral of the Annunciation and St Nathy, Ballaghadereen, Co Roscommon (Achonry Diocese). The celebrant has been the LMSI chaplain, Father Michael Cahill (Meath Diocese), but I understand this year, Father John Loftus of the Killala Diocese has been invited to celebrate.
In July 2006 and February 2007, Father Wulfran Lebocq of the Institute of Christ the King (who heads the Institute apostolate in Limerick) said Mass in Ss Peter and Paul Cathedral, Ennis, Co Clare (Killaloe Diocese).
So on March 25, St Colman's Cathedral, Cobh was the seventh Irish cathedral to host the EF, but Bishop Magee became the first Irish bishop since the liturgical changes to say Mass in his own cathedral.
3. Remaining dioceses:
The famous five had been Clonfert, Cloyne, Dromore, Ossory and Kerry. Dromore went in September 2007 with Mass in the Dominicans in Newry; in January 2008, a monthly Mass was initiated in the Dominicans in Tralee; in February Mass in the Capuchins in Kilkenny set the precedent in Ossory; so when the bishop said Mass in Cobh Cathedral on March 25, Clonfert was the only remaining Irish diocese that has not made provision for the EF.
However, that is just a statistic. There only has been ever one EF Mass in the Kilmore diocese - that was a wedding in Virginia, Co Cavan in 1995 and there has been nothing since. There was an almost annual Mass in Lough Derg, Co Donegal between 1994 and 2001 (Clogher Diocese), but there has been nothing there since. So effectively, the Clogher and Kilmore Dioceses need to be worked on in addition to Clonfert.
But in all, the moderator is correct - the wall has come down and will not be re-erected.
Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha Iománaí ar an gclaí.
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