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Post by cpm on Jan 20, 2009 21:33:12 GMT
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Jan 21, 2009 19:30:00 GMT
That looks like a most useful resource and one would like to think the list will grow, especially after the forthcoming formation course in Cork organised by the LMSI (see www.latinmassireland.org/index.htm). What would also be interesting to know is how many priests have been discouraged from responding to the Pope's wishes as expressed in the Motu Proprio. Has anyone any information, anecdotal or otherwise?
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jan 23, 2009 10:51:52 GMT
Ye know lads, there's a lot more padres down the sticks sayin' the trad Mass than I reckoned.
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Post by monkeyman on Feb 10, 2009 4:21:07 GMT
Ye know lads, there's a lot more padres down the sticks sayin' the trad Mass than I reckoned. Theres a few more than that but I won't be tellin him begob
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Post by monkeyman on Feb 10, 2009 4:24:03 GMT
That looks like a most useful resource and one would like to think the list will grow, especially after the forthcoming formation course in Cork organised by the LMSI (see www.latinmassireland.org/index.htm). What would also be interesting to know is how many priests have been discouraged from responding to the Pope's wishes as expressed in the Motu Proprio. Has anyone any information, anecdotal or otherwise? Not many Michael, the clergy of our native land havent cottoned on to the latest fashion-give them 20 years or so and they'll think they are being really revolutionary celebrating the extraordinary form...you know its true.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 10, 2009 20:18:20 GMT
That looks like a most useful resource and one would like to think the list will grow, especially after the forthcoming formation course in Cork organised by the LMSI (see www.latinmassireland.org/index.htm). What would also be interesting to know is how many priests have been discouraged from responding to the Pope's wishes as expressed in the Motu Proprio. Has anyone any information, anecdotal or otherwise? Not many Michael, the clergy of our native land havent cottoned on to the latest fashion-give them 20 years or so and they'll think they are being really revolutionary celebrating the extraordinary form...you know its true. You're probably right.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 11, 2009 15:45:43 GMT
Not many Michael, the clergy of our native land havent cottoned on to the latest fashion-give them 20 years or so and they'll think they are being really revolutionary celebrating the extraordinary form...you know its true. You're probably right. Well. It depends who the MP is intended to. If the MP is intended to trads who already are attending the TLM somewhere, SSPX, SPP and others, they actually won't ask the TLM to their local parish, as they are already attending the TLM before the MP SP. If the MP is intended to people who do not have acces to TLM and know what is is all about already, those people might be too few to construct a "stable group". They might be even isolated. Most of the people, practising Catholics, seem to be satisfied by the Novus Ordo. Most of them never attended a TLM or know what it is all about. So, there are no need for them to ask, to demand a TLM to be celebrated in their parish. I think that is the main reason for Ireland not be to so keen or welcoming regarding the MP and the TLM. We are facing here a question of knowledge regarding the different liturgy. People do not know what the TLM is, what the 1962 missal is all about. They are "happy" with the present situation. Not to kneel, to bow, receive communion in the hand, girls serving mass, etc... won't bother them because it is the norm. The generation born - say - after 1960 didn't have "public" access with the TLM. I had been lucky to know people who know people to discover the TLM. So maybe if we want to promote the TLM, we need to teach people what is all about. I do not see this happening in the parishes of Ireland so far, as the NO is so deeply already the norm everywhere. Also to be interesting in the TLM, is to be, at least a bit concern about religion and a bit religious. IS that the case for the majority of people today in Ireland ? I do not think so. I won't compare the application of the MP in Ireland with France. Ireland knows about 30 to 40 % of his population going to mass on Sunday at least. France got 2 to 5 % a maximum. Proportionality to his population, France is not religious AT ALL. Ireland is still pretty much catholic in compare, despite a serious fall in attendance and vocation. This the reason why, the poor application of the MP, and why it did not flourish in Ireland so far, is really difficult to understand, except the reason I gave about regarding the satisfaction of the NO of the main population. G
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Feb 12, 2009 13:36:20 GMT
I am in broad agreement with what Guillaume is saying. But I have attended trad Masses up and down Ireland over the past decade and a half, from established indult Masses to once off Masses. I have seen many people come to these Masses for the first time. Even where the Masses were badly done in my estimation, they generally made an impression on the newcomers (which is not excussing sloppiness).
I would say a well said trad Mass is a better ad for the movement than thousands of polemics - and it helps when the bulk of the congregation look normal.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 12, 2009 14:13:03 GMT
I am in broad agreement with what Guillaume is saying. YEAH ! Victory ! ;D ;D ;D []But I have attended trad Masses up and down Ireland over the past decade and a half, from established indult Masses to once off Masses. I have seen many people come to these Masses for the first time. Even where the Masses were badly done in my estimation, they generally made an impression on the newcomers (which is not excusing sloppiness). I would say a well said trad Mass is a better ad for the movement than thousands of polemics - and it helps when the bulk of the congregation look normal - What do you mean by that . Fair enough. But the whole liturgy of the Trad Mass is so different and "complicated", so to speak, that this might rebuke some priests ? This is why, maybe, some of them won't even bother. Paul VI mass is simpler, easy to say indeed, no latin necessary, one keeling, one or two signs of the Cross, et voila.... We got the Mass. Jesus is there. But question ? Is it the "same" Jesus ? Those who are bi-ritualists, like me, feel and know that the fruit of the communion is different between the two rites.
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Post by guillaume on Feb 12, 2009 14:23:43 GMT
By the way, this is a really great MP Mass (from a diocese priest) from New Orleans in the USA.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 12, 2009 19:19:26 GMT
By the way, this is a really great MP Mass (from a diocese priest) from New Orleans in the USA. Guillaume, thanks for posting that. It is magnificent, and what a beautiful sanctuary. But why the Scientology link?
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Post by guillaume on Feb 13, 2009 13:56:26 GMT
To Mike : it is only some add added by google. Usually there is no add when you embed a video on a site or forum.
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Post by Beinidict Ó Niaidh on Feb 19, 2009 15:05:50 GMT
On my computer, the ad is SingleMuslim.com
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Feb 19, 2009 23:15:11 GMT
On my computer, the ad is SingleMuslim.com An apostolic opportunity, then.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Feb 26, 2009 15:30:35 GMT
On my computer, the ad is SingleMuslim.com An apostolic opportunity, then. If someone covets the martyrs' crown, you can start here.
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