Post by hazelireland on Oct 24, 2008 8:22:21 GMT
Stephen thank you for the question it should be an interesting thread. Keep it up.
This is an Irish forum and I was not aware that Abortion has been made legal in Ireland? I am clearly out of touch! Can you point me to the news paper articles etc that will educate me on this one? I am sorry I am out of touch and I am not able to find this fact for myself. A quick search on Google for abortion in Ireland and the most recent thing I can find is that in the Irish Times in September 2007 an article reported that “A large majority of women now believe the Government should legislate to provide abortion in Ireland, according to an Irish Times/Behaviour & Attitudes poll on women“.
However I do not mean to doubt you or to offend. I am sure you have the facts to back up your claim! I am agog to hear them.
However I fail to see the connection between abortion and the other things you list. You ask "does it follow" and I thank you for the question but frankly I think the answer is “no”.
However you are not altogether incorrect this time. In the UK we can observe that Muslims do seem to think that it follows that because of the group they are part of that they are exempt from certain laws. Did you know that in the UK now the police can not use search dogs except with express permission if the owner of the premises being searched is a Muslim? What nonsense! Any drug trafficker in the UK now can increase his chances of escape merely by claiming to be a Muslim. Even more comical is that when a dog DOES have to be used it has to…. wait for this…. wear socks.
No it has to be one rule for all, not one rule for group A and one rule for group B. We are part of a democracy. It is not radicals that legalise abortion and homosexuals as you suggest. It is the majority. It is society as a whole which look at the facts and arguments and vote accordingly and as we grow and learn as a species and new facts and arguments come in we have matured and learned that there is no good reasons to enforce laws against gays and abortion. The democratic voice has spoken and I am sorry that you suffer because that voice has spoken against you.
If you think therefore that there is some good argument for legalising murder and molestation that will sway the democratic voice then feel free to present them. However I am yet to hear any and it is that fact that differentiates gay practises from murder despite your attempt to link them.
Unless such arguments and evidence exist therefore, your point that we will be lawless within the century can be classes as nothing but scaremongering. It is a tactic common in history when people run out of actual points and I am sure when slavery was abolished, for one random example, the same tactic was used in the same way. You seem to be becoming a caricature of your own beliefs.
I say this not to offend you but to warn you. Tactics of this sort are invariably used by the losing side that are out of facts and points. You let the opposing side win by resorting to them as people just tend to move away from approaches like that in the same uncomfortable way you move away from the guy on a bus who open his bag and you see he has a large knife in there. We tend to push people like that to the fringes.
If you are truly committed to the legal causes you suggest therefore then I heartily recommend you, instead of waving your hands about screaming “Its all going to descend to anarchy”, withdraw, retreat, regroup, reassess your arguments, facts, figures and points and come back and present them in a dignified and civilised manner.
Maybe then you can sway the democratic voice again and the right thing, if indeed it is the right thing, will be done. Politics is not about scaremongering sir, its about people being committed to the cause and getting up and doing the leg work out of the courage of sticking to your convictions. One man can make a difference and if you, sir, have the courage of your convictions then get out there and be heard.
This is an Irish forum and I was not aware that Abortion has been made legal in Ireland? I am clearly out of touch! Can you point me to the news paper articles etc that will educate me on this one? I am sorry I am out of touch and I am not able to find this fact for myself. A quick search on Google for abortion in Ireland and the most recent thing I can find is that in the Irish Times in September 2007 an article reported that “A large majority of women now believe the Government should legislate to provide abortion in Ireland, according to an Irish Times/Behaviour & Attitudes poll on women“.
However I do not mean to doubt you or to offend. I am sure you have the facts to back up your claim! I am agog to hear them.
However I fail to see the connection between abortion and the other things you list. You ask "does it follow" and I thank you for the question but frankly I think the answer is “no”.
However you are not altogether incorrect this time. In the UK we can observe that Muslims do seem to think that it follows that because of the group they are part of that they are exempt from certain laws. Did you know that in the UK now the police can not use search dogs except with express permission if the owner of the premises being searched is a Muslim? What nonsense! Any drug trafficker in the UK now can increase his chances of escape merely by claiming to be a Muslim. Even more comical is that when a dog DOES have to be used it has to…. wait for this…. wear socks.
No it has to be one rule for all, not one rule for group A and one rule for group B. We are part of a democracy. It is not radicals that legalise abortion and homosexuals as you suggest. It is the majority. It is society as a whole which look at the facts and arguments and vote accordingly and as we grow and learn as a species and new facts and arguments come in we have matured and learned that there is no good reasons to enforce laws against gays and abortion. The democratic voice has spoken and I am sorry that you suffer because that voice has spoken against you.
If you think therefore that there is some good argument for legalising murder and molestation that will sway the democratic voice then feel free to present them. However I am yet to hear any and it is that fact that differentiates gay practises from murder despite your attempt to link them.
Unless such arguments and evidence exist therefore, your point that we will be lawless within the century can be classes as nothing but scaremongering. It is a tactic common in history when people run out of actual points and I am sure when slavery was abolished, for one random example, the same tactic was used in the same way. You seem to be becoming a caricature of your own beliefs.
I say this not to offend you but to warn you. Tactics of this sort are invariably used by the losing side that are out of facts and points. You let the opposing side win by resorting to them as people just tend to move away from approaches like that in the same uncomfortable way you move away from the guy on a bus who open his bag and you see he has a large knife in there. We tend to push people like that to the fringes.
If you are truly committed to the legal causes you suggest therefore then I heartily recommend you, instead of waving your hands about screaming “Its all going to descend to anarchy”, withdraw, retreat, regroup, reassess your arguments, facts, figures and points and come back and present them in a dignified and civilised manner.
Maybe then you can sway the democratic voice again and the right thing, if indeed it is the right thing, will be done. Politics is not about scaremongering sir, its about people being committed to the cause and getting up and doing the leg work out of the courage of sticking to your convictions. One man can make a difference and if you, sir, have the courage of your convictions then get out there and be heard.