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Post by hazelireland on Nov 5, 2008 8:44:38 GMT
By the way, how is it that though we have quite a few atheist visitors we don't seem to get Evangelical Protestants here (or liberal Catholics for that matter)? This is actually probably very simple to answer. From conversations with SaintStephen I have noticed his attitude of only wanting to be on sites which conform to his faith. He has a lack of interest in going to other sites or engaging in dialouge with people who disagree with him. If we presume that the majority of people of faith are like this then it is no wonder that people do not often go to sites of other faiths. Enquiring minds on the other hand find themselves on all sites of all faiths, including no faiths at all, in order to expose themselves to all sides of all the issues, hence the presence of atheists on this site.
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Post by Inedifix II on Nov 6, 2008 4:24:24 GMT
Hi Saint Stephen,
Just for the sake of clarity, could you confirm, or deny that you are the same person who started this thread as royalosiodhachain.
That's a). confirm; or b). deny.
Thanks,
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Post by Inedifix II on Nov 7, 2008 3:32:39 GMT
I am Saint Stephen, I am not royalosiodhachain Hmm... I must be honest, I'm having trouble believing that. There are so many similarities between your posting styles, including: quoting large chunks of the Catechism, misusing the quote function when you fall out with someone, and quoting from Dictionary.com in the same idiosyncratic fashion to support your non-sequiturs. e.g. Royal (third post down). Of course, I can't prove you are the same person (not that it really matters), but I can prove that you are a liar. - Here, according to his profile on Celtic Radio, Royal O'Siodhachain is 57 years old.- Here on irishcatholics - you state that you are 57 years old too (three posts down). - Yet according to your profile, you are 39. So either you're lying about your age to Michael Kelly, or you're lying about it to everyone on this site. Or you're just plain lying to everyone. Which is it? And then of course, there are these lies... He told me several months ago that you and another atheist called Falconer had convinced Michael G to delete his profile. That is a blatant lie. As Michael G is perfectly able to confirm. I did no such thing. He [Michael] also told me you posted on his forum under the name Nazafaratoo. That is also a blatant lie. 1. Nozzferrahhtoo is a poster on atheist.ie who also posted here under his own name. Visit atheist.ie and check out the section on our new association, and you'll quickly see that we are different people. You can also check out the times of our posts, I live in New Zealand, 12 hours ahead of Nozz, so I'd have to be superhuman to post 24 hours round the clock. 2. I know that Michael would not have told you that, because he is an honest person who does not tell lies. It may be true of Nozz and Falconer, but it is not true of me. Saint Stephen, you are an inflammatory, lying bully, and possibly the most un-Christian person I've ever encountered on the web. I sometimes find it hard to believe that you truly are a Catholic. People like you do more harm to your own co-religionist than any atheist could ever dream of inflicting. Bravo! I
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Post by hazelireland on Nov 7, 2008 9:50:49 GMT
Dear Mel, You inserted Michael's name where Royal's name was suppose to be. You posted on Royal's website not Michaels. I can imagine that it is difficult for you to remember what name you have posted under when you have so many aka"s, also it must be difficult to remember what web sites you posted on when you are phishing for Catholics wherever you may find them. SaintStephen, I can see there is a large amount of evidence to suggest you are Royal. This is not provable and it is not important so I am not going to accuse you either way. You were asked, you answered, so be it. I also think you did not discuss ALL the reasons that Royal was banned, there are more. However because you are dishonest you are assuming everyone else is dishonest too. Maybe instead of throwing around random accusations you can just ASK people have they posted under another user name before and if so what was it. You will find that the atheists will answer you truthfully whether or not you will answer truthfully yourself. Do you not think this would be a more polite approach than just telling people they are being dishonest? At least SOME people have had the honesty to just ASK you: Rather than just telling people who or what they are maybe you can take a leaf out of this book and just ASK. You will get the answers a lot faster than you do going around on one thread telling Inedifix who he is and on another thread telling a completely different user he is ALSO that person. Go on try it.... pocket your random evidenceless accusations.... and just ASK for once. There is nothing wrong with saying "HEy guys, i do not know the answer to 'x' can someone please tell me.
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Post by Inedifix II on Nov 7, 2008 21:05:42 GMT
You inserted Michael's name where Royal's name was suppose to be. If so, that was a mistake. I assumed that the he in both cases referred to Michael, as only the mod could possibly know the actual identity of posters. I apologise for my mistake, I now see that you were referring to "Royal", a poster (if he really exists) who could not possibly have known such things anyway. You posted on Royal's website not Michaels. I don't understand what this means. I have never posted on any site of Royal's. I can imagine that it is difficult for you to remember what name you have posted under when you have so many aka's My only aka was Mel. For five days. Solely a tactic to reregister here, before reverting to Inedifix. And I'm being totally up front and honest about it. I'm not trying to disguise the fact. also it must be difficult to remember what web sites you posted on when you are phishing for Catholics wherever you may find them. Sorry Mr. Makeitup, but I have no trouble keeping track of my web forum contributions because I currently only post on two Atheist.ie and this one. If you go to Atheist.ie you'll see that I am called Inedifix there too. IrishCatholics is the first, the only, and will almost certainly be the last Catholic/Christian (or any religious denomination) forum I have ever and probably will ever post on. On the subject of lying and cheating...
All of the above of course, is an attempt by you to avoid the main issue - the fact that you are a liar. And now a cheat too because you have changed a post to amend your age from 57 to 39. (see my earlier post regarding lying about age). Yesterday, your post to Michael P Kelly read like this (screen shot, 7 Nov) Yet now it reads like this (screen shot, 8 Nov) In an effort to cover the fact that the age of 57 years is evidence that Saint Stephen and Royal O'Siodhachain are the same person. You changed your Irish Catholics profile (which used to have the same birthday as Royal's on Celtic Radio), but you forgot to change your post to Michael Kelly. However, as soon as I called you on it, you edited the post to Michael Kelly, to bring it in line with your previously amended profile. This reveals you not only as a liar, but as someone prepared to cheat to cover his lies. I
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Post by Inedifix II on Nov 9, 2008 22:24:35 GMT
To All, I really do pity Saint Stephen. The unintelligible garble he has assembled so disjointedly in his last rash of posts can be better read and understood by any one more interested in the truth than his lies, here. I stand over everything I have written on atheist.ie (however much you may dislike it). But I would like everyone note, that I did not write: "I have 25 email addresses that I use to log in with a different alias." That, is the thoroughly mendacious work of Saint Stephen, and no one else. It's yet another lie that he has made up. If you scroll down to the 12th post on this page you will see that the phrase: "I have 25 email addresses that I use to log in with a different alias." Is simply not there. Atheist.ie uses an edit tag, just like this site. So if I had edited my post at any stage, there would be an edit tag on it with the date. But there isn't. This proves once again, that Saint Stephen is prepared to lie to you all to make a point or maintain a facade. Then lie again to cover the lie, then again to cover that lie.
Dear Saint Stephen, You are a liar, a cheat, and a fraud. You know it. I know it. And my guess is that everyone else here knows it too. You only deepen how pathetic, how desperate and how thoroughly un-Christian you look with every new lie you tell. You should be ashamed to call yourself a Catholic. If you had any honour at all, you would admit to everyone the lies you are telling, and ask their apology. And mine too. Accordingly, I demand an apology for the lies you are telling about me. - Please post a retraction regarding the utter fabrication mentioned above. - Please explain why you altered your age from 57 to 39 years in your post to Michael P Kelly (see screen shots of your amendment above). - Please tell us all the truth about who you are, and stop lying to cover up the fact that you have used an alias (after all, it's really not that big a deal). I
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Post by hazelireland on Nov 10, 2008 10:45:12 GMT
As I said above, he is so dishonest that he assumes everyone else is too.
I can believe given past experience with him that he has completely made up quotes from you. If he cannot find you saying what he wants you to say then he just makes it up completely and does your talking for you. Therefore I do not even know why he needs to join a forum. He spends most of his time talking to the people in his head who he has made up then he does to the people actually here.
In fact it appears what he has done is taken a DIFFERENT quote from a DIFFERENT user and changed it and, put your name on it, and pasted it at the end of your quote!!! The quote was:
"I for one have over 20 email addresses I can sign up from and they have only deleted me based on one." - nozzferrahhtoo
This is systematic lies and dishonesty for which SS has become known. The only thing we do not know is does he believe his OWN lies?
He clearly also did not take my advice to just ASK like I suggested. Rather than randomly accusing everyone of being someone else.
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Post by Hemingway on Nov 10, 2008 16:37:09 GMT
Wow SS! Just when I thought you couldnt go any lower!
Making quotes up to misrepresent someones position is quite beyond the pale.
Explain yourself out of this one if you can?
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on Nov 10, 2008 23:03:59 GMT
Where's Michael G? At least he could debate. It is very difficult to tell whether SaintStephen is quoting someone else or posting for himself. I don't know who is yearning for my input in this quote. But for what it is worth (and even though SaintStephen and I are both Catholics and I am militantly orthodox and traditional), I am with Inedifix in this exchange.
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Post by hibernicus on Nov 11, 2008 18:32:17 GMT
I have a lot of work to do and limited computer access. hence I haven't posted much for a week and won't for the next two weeks. That doesn't make me a sheep.
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Post by hazelireland on Nov 17, 2008 12:01:06 GMT
Has SS been banned or is he just refusing to come back on after he has been outed for these lies?
I mean completely 100% inventing something someone said in order to make them look bad, I didnt think anyone on this forum could stoop to such a level.
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Post by Hemingway on Nov 18, 2008 9:14:52 GMT
It looks like Saintstephen/Royal has been suspended from Atheist.ie for not using the quote function correctly.
Strange how he ran to a nest of heathens for support when he suddenly stopped posting here. I can only assume he was barred from this site too.
Can anyone confirm?
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Post by hazelireland on Nov 18, 2008 9:47:37 GMT
It looks like Saintstephen/Royal has been suspended from Atheist.ie for not using the quote function correctly. Yes he was banned from this site for slander. He was banned from atheist.ie for more than that. He was trolling, making personal attacks on other users and more. Now atheist.ie is not above making personal attacks sometimes, but they have the decency to provide the back up and reasons for it. "You are a liar because...." is a good statement. However he came on, accused Micheal G from THIS forum of threatening to break someones bones, and was then completely unwilling and unable to provide a citation or quote on this. I myself have searched the site at length and couldnt find it either. In fact MG has never even used the word bone. He also called CPM and MG a coward and made claims MG was an atheist. Backed up personal attacks are ok. Slander and lies are not. Deliberate misuse of the quote function didnt help, especially when the moderator fixed some of his posts and he then went back and modified them to being wrong again. This was deliberate and thought out and had only one intention, to annoy. He also admitted openly he was only on the site for the entertainment and to draw MG into a fight. A full admission of trolling.
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Post by Hemingway on Nov 18, 2008 16:57:01 GMT
Well I've no sympathy for him if he carries on like that.
Michael G has always been willing to have discussion and debate in a respectful manner in my experience.
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