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Post by Ranger on Mar 28, 2015 19:55:39 GMT
The Dominicans certainly use elements from the old Dominican Rite during the Triduum; I often attend Holy Thursday/Good Friday celebrations there. One feature is that in addition to the Kyrie, there are a few other parts that are said in Ancient Greek.
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 28, 2015 20:01:24 GMT
BTW as I left the church several habited Dominicans were veiling the statues. (The statues in St Kevin's were already veiled last Sunday.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 16:48:10 GMT
Was it your first time at the Church, or was it just the first time a priest like that was at the Church?
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 29, 2015 21:41:38 GMT
No, I attend St Saviour's fairly regularly from time to time. I just hadn't noticed it before (and if I hadn't seen a photo of the Dominican Rite some time ago I wouldn't have realised the significance of the outstretched-arms gesture). I'm fairly sure I haven't seen it done by a Dominican there before, but not absolutely certain. (I have heard Dominicans ending Mass with "go forth and proclaim the Gospel" which may also be a carry-over from the Dominican Rite as they are after all the Order of Preachers.)
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Post by Ranger on Mar 30, 2015 8:42:40 GMT
I notice too that in Clarendon Street for the past few months at least, they have the panels that are used for the EF on one of the side altars (I don't know the correct name for them, but I mean the texts in frames which contain the words of the Mass and the Last Gospel)
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Post by hibernicus on Mar 30, 2015 21:53:53 GMT
The usual term is "altar cards".
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Post by Ranger on May 7, 2015 12:36:22 GMT
I happened to go to a different church than usual for Mass today. The Mass was celebrated for the two year anniversary of the death of a lady who worked in the Central Statistics Office. Interestingly, a very large cohort from the CSO turned out for the Mass, about 35-40 of them. I know that not all are probably devout, but it interests me that so many would attend such an event. True Irish, they all sat in the back few rows.
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Post by hibernicus on May 24, 2015 18:53:07 GMT
Joseph Shaw has a post on the history of sex-segregated seating at Mass, including the interesting detail that the practice died out among Catholics in England after the Reformation (because it was difficult to maintain under clandestine circumstances) but survived among Church of England congregations a good deal longer. He also has a point made to him by his Irish informants that where the practice survived here until relatively recently it wasn't enforced (i.e. an individual who went to the "wrong" side would not be kicked out); people just did it because it was what was done. One hilarious detail is that a feminist scholar suggests that this practice was a form of denigrating women because women usually sat to the priest's left (the side for the damned at the Last Judgement) and men to the right - but she is assuming that the priest faced the congregation, whereas in fact he faced the altar, which would mean the women were on his right and the men on the left! www.lmschairman.org/2015/05/more-on-segregated-seating-in-church.html#more
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on Nov 13, 2015 12:01:26 GMT
On a thread about the display of American football insignia at Mass, one commenter says he has often seen the tricolour displayed in the sanctuary of Irish churches, in the same way that American churches display the US flag in their sanctuaries. (Apparently this practice derives from WW2 as a means of praying for the troops - I didn't know that, I always assumed it was a vaguer expression of patriotism.) I don't think I've ever seen an Irish church with the tricolour on display in the sanctuary. Am I just unobservant? www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/catholic-church-seahawks-mass/#post-commentsIt happens in some places, where you see the tricolour on one side and the Papal flag on the other. I've seen it in St Aidan's Cathedral in Enniscorthy and in Sacred Heart Church in Roscommon Town (both of which are absolutely splendid churches otherwise and well worth a visit). These are two instances I recall, I've certainly seen it elsewhere. I suspect this is due to American influence as I have seen this is several churches in the United States. I've never noticed it on the continent much - the Pantheon in Rome I think is an exception as I think I remember seeing an Italian flag there (grave of the unknown soldier) and I've seen the Austrian flag in Austrian military chapels - but I would expect this in a military context. One might ask, for example, is it appropriate for a bugler or trumpeter to give the military salute to the Blessed Sacrament at the elevation, but a lot of Bavarian hunting associations will do this on Alpen horns at the same time, and its called "yodeler's adoration" around where Austria/German Switzerland/Germany meet (not disparagingly - Jodlersandacht sounds better in German). Most of these huntsmen would have a military or police background and they would be socially conservative. The same would be true of the Studentenverein that we know mainly through the Student Prince, but which have a military and in many cases also a religious aspect Basically, the question is what place patriotism has in Catholicism and how far this can be expressed in the liturgy?
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Post by Ranger on Nov 13, 2015 16:06:08 GMT
Not 100% related, but I did attend a Mass once which had brought in an orchestra for a special celebration to play classical hymns (all appropriate to the occasion, something along the lines of a Mozart Mass) and at the elevation of Host and Chalice the trumpeter gave a fanfare. I actually thought it was quite appropriate in spite of the unusualness of the whole thing, as it seemed to strongly imply a Monarch entering a throne room (which, if we think about it, is exactly what we believe is happening as Catholics)
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