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Post by tisherself on Jun 24, 2008 16:05:49 GMT
I have posted over at therosemarytree.blogspot.com/ on a topic near and dear to my heart, environmentalism and orthodox Catholicism, and encourage my Irish friends to come over and read, and share their views. I mainly am interested in trying to understand why so many people seem to be resistant to this idea. "God won't let us foul our nest too much. Despoil away!" seems to be the dominant attitude, one which makes zero sense to me. (I actually had a friend tell me that.) Whaddya think? a preview ~ Quote: I have wondered often why many seemingly devout and pious Catholics and Orthodox seem oblibvious to the need to change our lives in order to be good stewards of God's Creation. I visit parishes both Traditional, Eastern Rite and modern (Novus Ordo rite) and I have yet to see a program of recycling, green energy usage or support of sustainable agriculture in any of them, much less a series of lectures, homilies or classes on the subject.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on Jun 25, 2008 10:19:40 GMT
There is one aspect in which faithful Catholic are indeed green.
In all discussions of environmental polution, I have rarely heard contraception mentioned. Millions of women are on the pill and other pharmaceutical forms of contraception. Every day, hormones in this medication passes into the water system without having broken down. This affects the ecosystem as it passes into the food chain of all sorts of fauna, to such a degree that it is sterilising fish and birds and even affecting humans who consume such creatures - one thing that has been observed is a tendency for male breasts to enlarge. This is a serious problem, but the greens are saying nothing.
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Post by irishknight on Jun 25, 2008 17:21:32 GMT
Askel, I someone who has studied environmental science your statement regrading hormones is confusing, at best.
Could you please provide me with a link to a website which shows the link you are talking about, for I find it really hard to believe, that organic biodegradable hormones found in the "pill" cause pollution.
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Post by falconer on Jun 25, 2008 17:43:28 GMT
March 2, 2007 Pope is warned of a Green Anti-Christ. An arch-conservative cardinal chosen by the Pope to deliver this year’s Lenten meditations to the Vatican hierarchy has caused consternation by giving warning of an Antichrist who is “a pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist”. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1459003.eceMay 2007 Pope hosts a Vatican congress addressed by dr. Antonio Zichichi who contends that there is no such thing as global warming. July 2007CE Vatican takes a role in keeping God's earth green www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-07-25-vatican-green_N.htmFor the Curia at the top this is a conundrum that they have to carefully negotiate. While there is one line they need to take to satisfy ordinary members of the flock there are also inherent dangers to their historical position. You have to keep in mind the most important thing to the RC Church (the uniformed lifetime members and the accompanying vast income streams, the vast wealth and the priceless art treasures) is the RC Church not those who make up its flock. They think in the long term and the implications for the Church are damming. Take population growth: the Earth is only so big and being at the top of an organisation made up exclusively of men who’ve done all in their power to insist on unfettered population growth does not make you look good. Then there is the opinion that Christianity has been a grievous wrong turn for Europe and the world. Christianity destroyed competing native Earth centred pagan religions and replaced them with an “otherworld” bag of mythical destinations (depending on your point of view of course) as the carrots on the end of their stick. The Earth is a far more important place when it’s the focus of a religion then when it’s demoted to a holding room for “heaven” or “hell” depending on your luck. No one knows which way pagan earth centred beliefs might have developed but treating the Earth as sacred would be no bad thing. I’m fairly sure drinking from the upturned skulls of you fallen enemies would have died out once porcelain and plastic were invented (you’d never keep a McDonalds going if you were depending on the supply of skulls and Happy Meals would just look scary).
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Post by falconer on Jun 25, 2008 21:55:45 GMT
There is one aspect in which faithful Catholic are indeed green. In all discussions of environmental polution, I have rarely heard contraception mentioned. Millions of women are on the pill and other pharmaceutical forms of contraception. Every day, hormones in this medication passes into the water system without having broken down. This affects the ecosystem as it passes into the food chain of all sorts of fauna, to such a degree that it is sterilising fish and birds and even affecting humans who consume such creatures - one thing that has been observed is a tendency for male breasts to enlarge. This is a serious problem, but the greens are saying nothing. Where's all the money we spent on sewage treatment plants and water treatment works? Is Ringsend a front because if it's not working there's an ocean of prescription drugs floating around out there. A glass of tap water would be like taking a Wharfen-Lipitor-Asprin cocktail. Still I'll be keepin' an eye on me breasts from now on! Any more cover ups post them right away, just in case!
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Post by tisherself on Jun 27, 2008 23:00:45 GMT
www.pacifichealth.info/healthblog/2005/07/05/the-human-toxic-burden/QUOTE Farm-field runoff, raw sewage, and smokestack emissions may contain a slew of poisonous chemicals. But how about a healthy person’s blood? Two independent teams of scientists report that bodily fluids carry chemical cocktails that include toxic metals, artificial hormones, and ingredients of plastics, flame retardants, pesticides, herbicides, and disinfectants. “The bottom line of both studies is that a whole raft of synthetic chemicals that simply did not exist 40 or 50 years ago is now in the bodies and in the bloodstreams of most Americans,” says pediatrician Philip J. Landrigan of Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York....."Industrial chemicals and pesticides can build up in a pregnant woman, then pass to the fetus just as its brain, reproductive organs and immune sytsem are growing.".... [glow=red,2,300] "Most of the chemicals included in the report disrupt hormones in animal tests, some by mimicking estrogen or blocking testosterone, others by attacking brain development the immune system or the thyroid."[/glow]UNQUOTE Yeh, that's precisly what every good Catholic wants coursing thru his or her child's bodies... NOT.
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Post by irishknight on Jun 28, 2008 0:11:14 GMT
Hmm, rather interesting. Suppose I never really thought about it. However, we do have to remember a number of important points; i) There is water filter systems that local government deals with such things. ii) The toxins would be in very very low amounts.
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Post by falconer on Jun 29, 2008 16:26:17 GMT
Of course as can be seen above what may be of serious concern regarding pollution from various sources is narrowed down into an anti-female diatribe. Pesticides, chemicals, herbicides, and disinfectants end up in the water so therefore the problem is abortion!
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