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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 16:07:08 GMT
To the Moderator : Advice ! This post is infested of spam already ! Keep your forum clean ! Maybe you should restrict the possibility to post only to the people registered (not guests). If not, your forum will lose some credibility. Thanks. I had been hoping to keep the forum as accessible as possible while it was getting off the ground. I try to check every day for spam or anything else unacceptable and delete any that I find. However now that the forum finally (thank God!) seems to be taking off I do need to consider restricting posts to registered users. If everyone agrees, I'll carry on as before for another week or two and then review the situation. Not a bad idea at all!
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 17:14:20 GMT
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 22:27:51 GMT
The Lisheen Races episode of The Irish RM has this this to say about the Macroom pigs:
“‘An’ what’ll ye ride?’ says I.
“‘Owld Bocock’s mare,’ says he.
“‘Knipes!’ says I, sayin’ a great curse; ‘is it 113 that little staggeen from the mountains; sure she’s something’ about the one age with meself,’ says I. ‘Many’s the time Jamesy Geoghegan and meself used to be dhrivin’ her to Macroom with pigs an’ all soorts,’ says I; ‘an’ is it leppin’ stone walls ye want her to go now?’ "
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 22:32:23 GMT
And here we have a further glimpse at the fate of the poor pigs from Macroom:
"The market is on Saturday, and is abundantly supplied with butchers' meat, vegetables, and provisions at a moderate price; and from January till May there is a weekly market for pigs, many of which are slaughtered here and afterwards sent to Cork. From May till the end of the year, cattle fairs are held on the 12th of every month alternately in the town and at the village of Masseys-town, the property of Massey Hutchinson Massey, Esq., a little to the southwest".
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 22:44:32 GMT
And so boys and girls, this evening we have our domestic science class and we are off to the cookery kitchen:
"Stuffed Pig’s Trotter
Better known to us all as crubeens (meaning pig’s feet) these were always a favourite treat served with brown bread and stout in the pubs around West Cork, especially on Saturday nights.They were served either hot or cold, but the hot ones commanded greater respect being more juicy and responsive to chewing.The feet were always cured or brined, which meant of course that their saltiness encouraged the drinking of more pints! As a snack food they served the same function at fair days and race days when they were abundantly available and in high demand. Opinions are divided as to which make the best crubeens for eating, those from the hind or fore quarter. Some believe the hind feet are best because they have more meat on them, others prefer the more delicate fore trotters. Crubeens, like many of Ireland’s humbler meat cuts are going through somewhat of a resurgence as this recipe indicates".
Recipe
Stuffed Crubeen
1 Whole pig’s trotter (crubeen) 25g Black pudding 25g White pudding 25g Sausage meat 50g Sliced bacon 80g Chicken mousse see page 37 200ml Brown stock see page 36 60g Aromatic vegetables 6 New potatoes 1 Apple 25g Honey Herbs 100ml Cider 10g Tomato puree To taste Salt & Pepper
Method
Prepare pig’s trotter by boning out whole trotter and trimming off all hairs. Prepare a bed of aromatic vegetables (e.g. carrot, celery, onion and leeks) and set pig’s trotter on top. Cover with stock, add herbs and braise for 2-21/2 hours at 170°C. Remove from braising pan and cool. Dice bacon, black pudding, white pudding and mix with sausage meat and chicken mousse. Season with salt and pepper and add in freshly chopped herbs. Fill trotter with stuffing, shape into a cylinder, wrap in buttered foil and braise for 40 minutes Remove from pan and rest for 10 minutes Make sauce from remaining meat juices by adding honey and cider, reduce and thicken, finish with diced apple. Serve on bed of cooked sliced potatoes, mount pigs trotter on top and dress with apple honey sauce and top with fresh herbs.
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Post by guillaume on May 30, 2008 0:41:30 GMT
The obstructionist excuses trotted out by the clergy show up the most appalling ignorance of even the simplest principles of the Church's liturgical discipline. It looks as though several of them never learned a thing about liturgical theory and finding themselves only able to say Mass (often badly) in a bland English (to say nothing of Irish) they are just terrified to be hauled out of the trenches of unknowing.
I agree with you and understand your feeling. However, if yourself our somebody, has a bit of knowledge about the TLM, and if you find a priest willing to, at least, try to celebrate it, isn't your duty to help this priest to learn ? There are couples of DVD from SPP and SPPX for Priests "beginners". Also plenty of similar ressources on the Net. Also if there were genuine demands to the bishops, and those ignored it, you should, then mention it to Rome, to the Ecclesia Dei commission. They will deal with the matter. Also when asking a TLM to a Bishop this should be done with great respect, politeness and charity. And above all, you must give for reference the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum (maybe not the whole text, but some references). and......................... pray ! Guillaume. How does this approach work in France especially in a place like Poitiers? I don't have a clue, i live in Ireland ! However as I follow the "forumcatholique" daily, the MP works in some places. Very few though. In Paris, it works quite well. But outside Paris, not really. The French bishops are far more modernists than the Irish ones ! Not to mention the awfull scandal of Amiens, where a whole congregation of faithful had seen their church taken back by the Authority. They now have not option but to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of Christ, every sunday, in front of the cathedral. Outside. In the rains, the snow. They wrote several times to the bishop, the ordinary of Amiens, without any answer. There are many empty or abandoned churches in this area. But the Bishop would give them none of them. Why ? Because they belong to the SPPX.
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Post by guillaume on May 30, 2008 9:09:02 GMT
4 spams. Now, Michael, you know what to do........
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Post by Conor on May 30, 2008 12:26:16 GMT
Guillaume, you have given the best suggestion to date. I think it is better to encourage our priests and to keep praying . I have found that when we approach our priests in person they begin to see that we are not fanatics but ordinary Catholics attracted to the TLM. When the the firtst Saturday Mass began here in Cork there was only one priest who celebrated now we have three.
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Post by Tim on May 30, 2008 20:20:27 GMT
3 out of about 150! It sounds as though they are getting the message about fabatics. Keep up the good work!
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Post by Phil on May 30, 2008 21:31:55 GMT
3 out of about 150! It sounds as though they are getting the message about fabatics. Keep up the good work! Counting religious priestsi'd say there are closer to two hundred priests in Cork. 3 ou of 200 is hardly any progress at at all. Twill take centuries to convert the rest.
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Post by molagga on May 30, 2008 21:41:45 GMT
3 out of about 150! It sounds as though they are getting the message about fabatics. Keep up the good work! Counting religious priestsi'd say there are closer to two hundred priests in Cork. 3 ou of 200 is hardly any progress at at all. Twill take centuries to convert the rest. Miserable results these. Does it say anything about the level of fanaticism among those approaching the clergy? I hope not. Otherwise, the juxtapositioning is unfortunate.
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