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Post by molagga on May 27, 2008 19:50:14 GMT
Ok. Even if all these points are taken, what has all this to do with Mass in either the Greater or Lesser Cork Area? Or the St Colman's Society campaign to humiliate the Dean of Cloyne? As far as I know St Colman's Society has had absolutely nothing to do with Alan Marley. But, now that you mention it, he might be more willing to make Cloyne Cathedral available for the TLM.
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Post by Tim on May 27, 2008 22:17:52 GMT
A good suggestion. The Anglicans recently made Winchester Cathedral available for the TLM. This came as a great shock to Crispian Hollis, the "ecumenical" Catholic bishop of Portsmouth. But what could he say when the Anglicans were looking for it..... We could repeat the saga in Cork.
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Post by conor on May 28, 2008 8:41:55 GMT
It appears molagga is suffering from eating too many waffles and crubeens.
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Post by guillaume on May 28, 2008 9:47:23 GMT
To the Moderator : Advice ! This post is infested of spam already ! Keep your forum clean ! Maybe you should restrict the possibility to post only to the people registered (not guests). If not, your forum will lose some credibility.
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 28, 2008 12:05:48 GMT
For once I am with Guillaume regarding spam.
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Post by guillaume on May 28, 2008 12:39:58 GMT
I am a regular member of "leforumcatholique.org" in France. Without being perfect, this Forum is quite severe regarding Posts : language, orthography, etc... They have 8 moderators ! And trust me, they have a full time job ! But it is beacuse of this severity that the Forum is interesting and often reliable : not everybody can post and intervene. the moderator of this forum should do the same.
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Post by Michael O'Donovan on May 28, 2008 15:52:08 GMT
To the Moderator : Advice ! This post is infested of spam already ! Keep your forum clean ! Maybe you should restrict the possibility to post only to the people registered (not guests). If not, your forum will lose some credibility. Thanks. I had been hoping to keep the forum as accessible as possible while it was getting off the ground. I try to check every day for spam or anything else unacceptable and delete any that I find. However now that the forum finally (thank God!) seems to be taking off I do need to consider restricting posts to registered users. If everyone agrees, I'll carry on as before for another week or two and then review the situation.
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 12:17:18 GMT
Our Alaistdir is beginning to wake up as far a Cloyne is concerned:
"Cloyne was one of the five dioceses consistently named as not allowing the traditional Mass on the eve of Summorum Pontificum. Though it has been asserted that no requests have been received, there is considerable evidence to show that requests were made".
This thread should have given you something of the "considerable evidence" to show that requests have been made. They have all been turned down -except one.
The obstructionist excuses trotted out by the clergy show up the most appalling ignorance of even the simplest principles of the Church's liturgical discipline. It looks as though several of them never learned a thing about liturgical theory and finding themselves only able to say Mass (often badly) in a bland English (to say nothing of Irish) they are just terrified to be hauled out of the trenches of unknowing.
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Post by guillaume on May 29, 2008 13:09:02 GMT
The obstructionist excuses trotted out by the clergy show up the most appalling ignorance of even the simplest principles of the Church's liturgical discipline. It looks as though several of them never learned a thing about liturgical theory and finding themselves only able to say Mass (often badly) in a bland English (to say nothing of Irish) they are just terrified to be hauled out of the trenches of unknowing.
I agree with you and understand your feeling. However, if yourself our somebody, has a bit of knowledge about the TLM, and if you find a priest willing to, at least, try to celebrate it, isn't your duty to help this priest to learn ? There are couples of DVD from SPP and SPPX for Priests "beginners". Also plenty of similar ressources on the Net. Also if there were genuine demands to the bishops, and those ignored it, you should, then mention it to Rome, to the Ecclesia Dei commission. They will deal with the matter. Also when asking a TLM to a Bishop this should be done with great respect, politeness and charity. And above all, you must give for reference the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum (maybe not the whole text, but some references). and......................... pray !
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Post by Alaisdir Ua Séaghdha on May 29, 2008 14:08:57 GMT
I have just received some information that Mgr James O'Brien, a prelate in the Congregation of Divine Worship, has indicated to Bishop Magee that he is responsible for the liturgical conference planned for Fota on 12 July which was organised in the name of the St Colman's Society for Catholic Liturgy.
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Post by Askel McThurkill on May 29, 2008 14:12:13 GMT
I have been reading a lot of nonsence here about waffles and crubeens.
Especially crubeens from Macroom.
As a jackeen, you can pardon my ignorance in the matter - but isn't Macroom a dairy farming area?
Askel McTorkell
Unreconstructed Dubliner.
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 15:45:52 GMT
Of course Macroom is in a milk producing area. Surplus milk is fed to pigs and makes their trotters all the more delicious. That is why Macroom is the crubeen capital of the world.
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 15:48:34 GMT
An unreconstructed Dubliner! No offense taken. This is an unreconstructed crubeen fanatic.
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 15:51:46 GMT
The obstructionist excuses trotted out by the clergy show up the most appalling ignorance of even the simplest principles of the Church's liturgical discipline. It looks as though several of them never learned a thing about liturgical theory and finding themselves only able to say Mass (often badly) in a bland English (to say nothing of Irish) they are just terrified to be hauled out of the trenches of unknowing.
I agree with you and understand your feeling. However, if yourself our somebody, has a bit of knowledge about the TLM, and if you find a priest willing to, at least, try to celebrate it, isn't your duty to help this priest to learn ? There are couples of DVD from SPP and SPPX for Priests "beginners". Also plenty of similar ressources on the Net. Also if there were genuine demands to the bishops, and those ignored it, you should, then mention it to Rome, to the Ecclesia Dei commission. They will deal with the matter. Also when asking a TLM to a Bishop this should be done with great respect, politeness and charity. And above all, you must give for reference the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum (maybe not the whole text, but some references). and......................... pray ! Guillaume. How does this approach work in France especially in a place like Poitiers?
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Post by molagga on May 29, 2008 15:55:02 GMT
It appears molagga is suffering from eating too many waffles and crubeens. Here we go again! "Molagga" is a proper noun. Therefore, a capital letter is required. Conor is not learning his lessons. We might have to teach him a thing or two the hard way!
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